Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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Belz... said:
But I guess if they start beating up bystanders filming, it would discourage that practice. Smart. Evil, but smart.
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It gets faster results then the practice of blasting copyrighted music during acts of violence so the videos will get pulled when posted online.
 
chrispy said:
Holy hell that was a tough watch. Only 5 charged? Again, the cops that don't stop their buddies should be at least somewhat responsible, too.
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Nonsense police have no duty to act when they witness violence against you, why should it matter if it is from some member of the public or another cop? You have to remember exactly how low the standards of police responsibility are.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Nonsense police have no duty to act when they witness violence against you, why should it matter if it is from some member of the public or another cop? You have to remember exactly how low the standards of police responsibility are.
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That's still, even factoring in everything else, the part of policing in America that pisses me off the most.

That we have this toxic of a police culture, laws specifically designed to make police all but immune from punishment when they do anything wrong, and yet still have a clear, legal precedent that LEOs are under no actual legal obligations to... like do anything.

If you are being beaten to death in broad daylight and a police officer on duty, on his assigned route, in is assigned area of responsibility walks right past it whistling a jaunty tune... he's legally done nothing wrong.

Add to this in most jurisdiction (a few states, California most notably, have removed this legal requirement from the books) you can charged for failing to assist, not for hampering but for refusing to assist, an LEO in their duties you can be charged with a crime and the whole thing folds back in on itself in layers of insanity piece of puffed pastry.
 
chrispy said:
Holy hell that was a tough watch. Only 5 charged? Again, the cops that don't stop their buddies should be at least somewhat responsible, too.
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Behave yourself, they are the much ignored "good apples", from the "not all cops" brigade we hear about.
 
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bluesjnr said:
Behave yourself, they are the much ignored "good apples" from the "not all cops" brigade we hear about.
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It was just a coincidence that this pack of cops just happened to be all bad. Truly a statistical anomaly that nobody involved did anything to stop nakedly illegal police behavior.
 
It's because the "one bad apple" saying doesn't mean how supporters of the police are using it. It does not mean there are a mass of good apples or indeed any good apples in the barrel. What it says is that it only takes one bad apple to spoil a barrel of originally good apples. Which is why we see so few police arresting their colleagues, or even stopping them acting in an illegal manner.

And I think the real meaning of "one bad apple" applies in the case of many of these police forces, because the bad apple was not detected and removed (probably decades ago) it infected the rest of the apples in the barrel(s).

I do think the only way to deal with this type of deep rot is to start again. Not "defund" the police - but dissolve the current police and re-build new police forces, ones that can deal with the issue of "one bad apple" before it contaminates the rest of the force.
 
Darat said:
It's because the "one bad apple" saying doesn't mean how supporters of the police are using it. It does not mean there are a mass of good apples or indeed any good apples in the barrel. What it says is that it only takes one bad apple to spoil a barrel of originally good apples. Which is why we see so few police arresting their colleagues, or even stopping them acting in an illegal manner.

And I think the real meaning of "one bad apple" applies in the case of many of these police forces, because the bad apple was not detected and removed (probably decades ago) it infected the rest of the apples in the barrel(s).

I do think the only way to deal with this type of deep rot is to start again. Not "defund" the police - but dissolve the current police and re-build new police forces, ones that can deal with the issue of "one bad apple" before it contaminates the rest of the force.
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I blame the confusion about bad apples on Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5.

One bad apples DOES spoil the whole bunch, girl...
 
Malfeasance in a public office needs to be a far more serious crime* and police officers who are caught abusing their post should be charged with this as well as any specific crimes. ​


*on a par with racketeering or other organised crime
 
Detroit police under investigation after viral video shows officer sucker-punching a man unconscious on the street.

After a video was published Sunday depicting a police officer punching a man in the face in Greektown, Detroit police are reviewing the footage and Internal Affairs is investigating.

The video posted Sunday on Reddit, titled "Detroit pigs handing out the brain damage," appears to show a Detroit Police Department special response team officer winding up and punching a man in the face, who then appears dazed as he tries to sit up.
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2021/08/01/detroit-police-reviewing-video-cop-punching-man-face-greektown/5450165001/

Police left the dazed man without making an arrest. Hard to imagine a scenario where close-handed strikes to the head are justified, but an arrest is not.
 
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Kestrel said:
Did any of these officers accurately state what happened in their official report?
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I doubt there was a report. No arrest made, just an extrajudicial beating off the books. Until the video went viral, the incident may as well not have existed.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I doubt there was a report. No arrest made, just an extrajudicial beating off the books. Until the video went viral, the incident may as well not have existed.
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Standard practice in the United States is to charge the guy that you beat to a pulp with assaulting a police officer. Counting on the courts to take the word of the officer over the word of the suspect.
 
Kestrel said:
Standard practice in the United States is to charge the guy that you beat to a pulp with assaulting a police officer. Counting on the courts to take the word of the officer over the word of the suspect.
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He did totally hit that cops fist with his face after all. Clear case of assaulting a police officer.
 
gnome said:
He'd better watch out, or he'll get sent up for getting blood on the officer's uniform.
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******* stupid kid over reacting n' all.

Forbes also said he hasn’t received much remorse or explanation from police, other than a call from them Wednesday asking how Sebastian was doing. He said so far there’s been no apology nor any admission of guilt.

“I was told hey, you know this was an accident, accidents happen – calm down,” Forbes told CBSLA. “I just want to make sure that this is the last kid that dog ever bites.”

South Pasadena Police Department has yet to respond to repeated requests for comment
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