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The Behavior Of US Police Officers - Part 3

I was assuming that's where the footage was coming from. Apparently, the footage came from security cameras of businesses along that road.
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sa-police-shooting-jarrett-tonn-b2468111.html

Some choice issues here.

Mr Tonn was fired by the police department last year after an independent third-party investigation determined he violated several department policies, including using deadly force that was not objectively reasonable, failing to de-escalate the situation, and failing to activate his body-worn camera in a timely manner..
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He shot a man kneeling in the road from the back of a moving police car by firing through the windshield.

I think if I had been in the front of that car, I'd want him nowhere near me with a loaded firearm ever again.

And of course...

The month after Monterrosa’s killing, then-Police Chief Shawny Williams started an independent investigation after two people in the department said officers had their badges bent to mark on-duty killings.
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Newly released video of a Times square brawl shows the police lied about how it was started.

Of note, the police earlier released edited video that showed police telling the men to leave and then jumped to the brawl. The new video shows that the men were leaving as instructed when they started singing a spiteful song. At this point one officer grabbed a man from behind and started frisking him.


Also in NYC, a man who was attacked live on Fox News by Guardian Angels for being a 'shoplifting migrant' who was neither shoplifting nor a migrant was issued a summons for disorderly conduct...seemingly for yelling and swearing while being assaulted.
 
tyr_13 said:
Also in NYC, a man who was attacked live on Fox News by Guardian Angels for being a 'shoplifting migrant' who was neither shoplifting nor a migrant was issued a summons for disorderly conduct...seemingly for yelling and swearing while being assaulted.
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In fairness, the summons includes threatening other people, which is kind of a thing a cop should issue a summons for, when they see it right in front of them.

But yeah, I don't get why the GAs are not treated like the criminal vigilantes they are. I don't believe random citizens can assault and restrain people suspected of misdemeanors in any context.
 
Thermal said:
In fairness, the summons includes threatening other people, which is kind of a thing a cop should issue a summons for, when they see it right in front of them.

But yeah, I don't get why the GAs are not treated like the criminal vigilantes they are. I don't believe random citizens can assault and restrain people suspected of misdemeanors in any context.
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I suppose it depends on who was threatened and with what, but if the GA are going around criminally assaulting people on the basis, one guesses, of ethnic prejudice and error, they damned well ought to be threatened. You know if the same thing happened to them, they'd make, and probably win, a case for killing their assailants on the spot.
 
Thermal said:
In fairness, the summons includes threatening other people, which is kind of a thing a cop should issue a summons for, when they see it right in front of them.
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He was being mugged. In front of the cops.
 
Donal said:
He was being mugged. In front of the cops.
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No, the cops said when they arrived, he was being restrained. When they let him go, he threatened violence.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm on the guy's side, bit I can still see why a cop would issue a summons for threatening ******* violence in front of police. "They started it so I can commit a new crime now that cops are here" is not one of the defenses one hears outside of a playground.
 
They didn't arrest any of his attackers. They saw the ******** committing unlawful detainment. The mugging was on live TV.
 
Donal said:
They didn't arrest any of his attackers. They saw the ******** committing unlawful detainment. The mugging was on live TV.
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And as I said already, I don't get why the GAs are not arrested for that. It's a suspected misdemeanor, you can't make a citizens arrest for less than a credible felony (shopkeepers privilege excepted in NYC I believe).
 
Thermal said:
No, the cops said when they arrived, he was being restrained. When they let him go, he threatened violence.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm on the guy's side, bit I can still see why a cop would issue a summons for threatening ******* violence in front of police. "They started it so I can commit a new crime now that cops are here" is not one of the defenses one hears outside of a playground.
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Its one of those "technically you can't do that" but if someone false imprisons me I could see having some words with them. Although, they'd have some 9mm holes in them before the cops arrived anyways, were it me.
 
Of course we don't know what sort of threat was uttered. There's a huge difference between saying you'll blow up their house or harm their kids, and saying "if you pull this kind of ******** again I"ll punch your lights out." And it's also a big difference when one speaks in the heat of the moment.

I mean, basically a person was attacked by organized criminal ruffians in public for motives that were pretty transparently bigoted, in front of the police, and he ought to be allowed a pretty high degree of intemperance under the circumstances. As I said above, if he'd been one of those guardian angels and attacked by a person like himself, dollars to donuts he'd have been within his rights to kill his assailant, and the courts would likely back him up.
 
tyr_13 said:
Newly released video of a Times square brawl shows the police lied about how it was started.

Of note, the police earlier released edited video that showed police telling the men to leave and then jumped to the brawl. The new video shows that the men were leaving as instructed when they started singing a spiteful song. At this point one officer grabbed a man from behind and started frisking him.


Also in NYC, a man who was attacked live on Fox News by Guardian Angels for being a 'shoplifting migrant' who was neither shoplifting nor a migrant was issued a summons for disorderly conduct...seemingly for yelling and swearing while being assaulted.
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Seems like one of them is filing a harassment case against their victim, because he didn't take too kindly to a bunch of career criminals beating him up for no reason.
 
tyr_13 said:
Newly released video of a Times square brawl shows the police lied about how it was started.

Of note, the police earlier released edited video that showed police telling the men to leave and then jumped to the brawl. The new video shows that the men were leaving as instructed when they started singing a spiteful song. At this point one officer grabbed a man from behind and started frisking him.
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Also of note is how centrist Democrats came running to defend the cops at first, with Governor Kathy Hochul saying

Kathy Hochul, New York's Democratic governor, said on Thursday authorities should "get them all and send them back".

"You don't touch our police officers - you don't touch anybody," she told reporters.
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No word on whether she has walked back her statements.
 
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https://weartv.com/news/local/okalo...llowing-officer-involved-shooting-in-november

This one is pretty wild.

"Deputy Hernandez was approaching the passenger side rear door of his patrol car to do a secondary search of Jackson when he heard a pop sound which he perceived to be a gunshot and believed he had been hit," the release states. "He began yelling 'shots fired' multiple times, falling to the ground and rolling. He fired into the patrol car. After witnessing Deputy Hernandez’s response and reaction and fearing for his life, the Sergeant responded with gunshots towards the car as well in response to the perceived threat."

Jackson was not hit. No weapon was located.

Bodycam footage:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1aq16xi/spray_and_pray/

Which shows, no shots fired, then he starts yelling "shots fired". He starts doing some rolls, draws his sidearm and mag dumps at a stationary police SUV. Continues to act like its Fallujah in 2005 or something. Theres a totally innocent bystander off in the distance whom it looks like he just missed.
 
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lobosrul5 said:
https://weartv.com/news/local/okalo...llowing-officer-involved-shooting-in-november

This one is pretty wild.

"Deputy Hernandez was approaching the passenger side rear door of his patrol car to do a secondary search of Jackson when he heard a pop sound which he perceived to be a gunshot and believed he had been hit," the release states. "He began yelling 'shots fired' multiple times, falling to the ground and rolling. He fired into the patrol car. After witnessing Deputy Hernandez’s response and reaction and fearing for his life, the Sergeant responded with gunshots towards the car as well in response to the perceived threat."

Jackson was not hit. No weapon was located.

Bodycam footage:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1aq16xi/spray_and_pray/

Which shows, no shots fired, then he starts yelling "shots fired". He starts doing some rolls, draws his sidearm and mag dumps at a stationary police SUV. Continues to act like its Fallujah in 2005 or something. Theres a totally innocent bystander off in the distance whom it looks like he just missed.
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Don't worry - I'm sure he'll get them next time.
 
Hernandez says in the article that the victim told him there was a silencer on the gun, so maybe a relatively small pop made Hernandez think there was suppressed gunshots? Not an excuse, but puts it more in the realm of understandable overreaction, if a wild one, as opposed to malice.
 
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