The Australian "custody sisters"

BenBurch said:
Father is in the right here.
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This. The whole point of the mother's family getting the media involved is to try and demonise him and get him to basically give up his custodial. They were successful in getting the media to make him look like a bastard but he didn't give up his rights.
 
WildCat said:
You have no idea which parent they want to stay with.
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And you don't care. All that matters to you is who is "right", in your judgment of their deeds.

And you don;t get to kidnap your kid and take them to a foreign country thousands of miles away because you don't want to share custody. And who knows what this horrible woman was doing to try to turn the kids against their father during the last 2 years. This is certainly mot in their best interests, I saw mothers do this to their kids when I was growing up. Constantly telling them the father was a bastard, a liar, a good for nothing low-life in an attempt to turn them against the father.
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You keep telling me I don't know what these people are like, yet you claim insight into this case based on your own experience of other people? Do you not see a problem with that? Not only do you sit in judgment on strangers, but you do so with admitted personal bias.

People like that should never have kids in the first place, but unfortunately we don't force people to get parenting licenses.
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What's done is done, both in the having of kids and in the bestowal of their affections. No court ruling will change either.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
It's too bad his children want nothing more than to get away from him.
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While the cameras are rolling, their mother is screaming and crying, and the TV audience is lapping up the manipulated and hyped-up drama of it all - yes, they give that impression. Who knows yet what they really feel or think?
 
It's perfectly possible to believe that the mother acted appalingly, that the father is (and should be) in the tight legally, but the situation as it has arisen means that him exercising his legal rights will permanantly ruin his relationship with his daughters and may do them harm. It's an awful situation, but I can't see any way this will end well for everybody. Sometimes some people break the law in such a way that means that natural justice cannot be served. This seems to be one of those cases.
 
TragicMonkey said:
And you don't care. All that matters to you is who is "right", in your judgment of their deeds.



You keep telling me I don't know what these people are like, yet you claim insight into this case based on your own experience of other people? Do you not see a problem with that? Not only do you sit in judgment on strangers, but you do so with admitted personal bias.



What's done is done, both in the having of kids and in the bestowal of their affections. No court ruling will change either.
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I know that this evil horrible woman took them to Australia in an attempt to prevent Italian courts from determining custody. At least she didn't kill them so he could never have them, which isn't unheard of with crazy nutjob mothers like this.
 
WildCat said:
I know that this evil horrible woman took them to Australia in an attempt to prevent Italian courts from determining custody.
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Well, then, tell those girls to switch off their affections because you don't like their mother.

At least she didn't kill them so he could never have them, which isn't unheard of with crazy nutjob mothers like this.
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Not even going to bother with this bit. The problem with people like you is that once you decide what the principles are, you leave reality behind.
 
Wildy said:
The media were absolutely disgusting with this story. Especially since they were roped in by their mother's family to circumvent the legal system.

If you're interested, Media Watch had an episode covering the story. I don't know if you can watch the video on the page, but you can read the transcript.
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Thanks, Wildy. Good old ABC is sharing with us abroad.

The news parody Frontline comes to mind here.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Presumably they themselves do. They should have a say in their own fate.
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ponderingturtle said:
If someone kidnapped your kids and after two years they wanted to stay should the kidnapper get to keep the kids?
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But then, that's what this whole thing is actually about. By law, this custody case is to be performed in Italy. It will almost certainly include a good number of medical professionals talking to the kids about what they want, and of course trying to get past any of the training by both parents into getting them to say what they want instead of what the kids feel.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Presumably they themselves do. They should have a say in their own fate.
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I agree with this, notwithstanding the legalities. We're not talking about babies here, and I'm convinced that they will move back to Australia as soon as they are old enough.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Presumably they themselves do. They should have a say in their own fate.
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Yes and they typically do in the proper court assigned to determine custody. The only parent who has tried the thwart that is the mother when she spirited them away to a foreign country to avoid them having a say in the proper court of jurisdiction.

To decide otherwise would mean that they would not have been able to visit family abroad until after the custody hearing.

The father only allowed them to go to Australia because his attorney told him that the Geneva Convention would allow him to get his kids back if the wife flipped out. If the GC loses its force then these kids never get to visit family in Australia, is that really a better outcome?

All that said, it took way too long. That is hard on the kids.
 
sophia8 said:
While the cameras are rolling, their mother is screaming and crying, and the TV audience is lapping up the manipulated and hyped-up drama of it all - yes, they give that impression. Who knows yet what they really feel or think?
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The kids were screaming and crying more than the mother.

Do you think that deep down inside, they really want to be with their father in Italy, and they were only putting on an act?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Not at all. Children don't get to decide what is best for them, why do you think we don't let them vote?

If someone kidnapped your kids and after two years they wanted to stay should the kidnapper get to keep the kids?
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I don't have any children. I have never wanted them.

But if I did have a child, and he or she were kidnapped by their mother, and after two years the child wanted to stay with their mother rather than come home, I might take a moment to ask myself why that is. And I'm not sure I would be content with glib answers that turn on the premise that children don't know what is best for them.

I can also say with confidence that I would never condone a process that ended with the child being dragged away by the police, kicking and screaming.

I would think, "this is barbaric, it cannot possibly be in the kid's best interest, and the kid will hate me when he/she grows up."
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
As of now. They desperately want to return to their mother in Australia.
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How do you know they weren't kicking and screaming because they didn't want to leave their boyfriends? I note it was only the 2 older girls kicking and screaming.
 
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