The all-new "US Politics and coronavirus" thread

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

To get us started:

A month after Trump's Rose Garden speech, the majority of his promises remain unfulfilled

 

[Lithrael]

I’m still highly salty about Texas declaring all abortion services non-essential. Nice job with de facto outlawing there.

 

[pgwenthold]

I’m still highly salty about Texas declaring all abortion services non-essential. Nice job with de facto outlawing there.

It's a complete distortion of the concept of "essential services." Essential services are those that need to be done now, because they can't wait until later. Grocery stores are good examples, because we need food, and we can't just wait 2 months to get food.

The same is true for abortions. Given the time constraints imposed on abortions, if one is to have an abortion, it needs to be done now, and can't be put off. It's actually a perfect example of what constitutes an essential service.

 

[rockysmith76]

It's a complete distortion of the concept of "essential services." Essential services are those that need to be done now, because they can't wait until later. Grocery stores are good examples, because we need food, and we can't just wait 2 months to get food.

The same is true for abortions. Given the time constraints imposed on abortions, if one is to have an abortion, it needs to be done now, and can't be put off. It's actually a perfect example of what constitutes an essential service.

Abortions are not essential, to liken them with the need for food is comical, at least the frivolous ones.

 

[Meadmaker]

If only they had lived in Florida, instead.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-wrestling-essential-conoravirus-service.html

(Professional wrestling - essential service)

 

[Stacyhs]

To get us started:

A month after Trump's Rose Garden speech, the majority of his promises remain unfulfilled

From your link:

In response to this story, the White House said Monday night that the president had taken "bold and decisive actions" to combat the coronavirus crisis.

"President Trump and this Administration are using the full power of the federal government and working in close partnership with the private sector to respond to the health and economic challenges posed by COVID-19," White House spokesperson Judd Deere said in a statement.

I see Trump and his cronies are still living in the world of "alternative facts" as Kellyanne put it. The WH resorts to "Say it, and they will believe". Sadly, so many Trump supporters do just that. Because, after all, Trump doesn't lie.

 

[Stacyhs]

If only they had lived in Florida, instead.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-wrestling-essential-conoravirus-service.html

(Professional wrestling - essential service)

From you link:

The governor, often referred to as a “mini-Trump,” is granting this lucrative exemption to the WWE, which is owned by Trump booster Vince McMahon, whose wife, Linda McMahon, served in the Trump Cabinet and runs a Trump 2020 super PAC.

Perhaps I'm just being cynical here, but could this possibly have anything to do with DeSantis' decision? Naaaaahhhhhhh.....

 

[pgwenthold]

Abortions are not essential, to liken them with the need for food is comical, at least the frivolous ones.

Wow, that point went flying way over your head....

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Abortions are not essential, to liken them with the need for food is comical, at least the frivolous ones.

Does that remain true if without an abortion both the mother and foetus will die?

 

[Meadmaker]

From you link:



Perhaps I'm just being cynical here, but could this possibly have anything to do with DeSantis' decision? Naaaaahhhhhhh.....

Trump has pretty close ties to professional wrestling, I think via McMahon.

Trump is a member of the WWE Hall of Fame. (For those new here, no I am not making that up.)

 

[Meadmaker]

To get us started:

A month after Trump's Rose Garden speech, the majority of his promises remain unfulfilled

I think this is just so typical for Trump and his response.

He says all the right things, and acts like they are done, but they aren't. He just isn't getting the job done, and he doesn't even seem aware that he isn't. He announced that something good will happen. Yay. Now, about that testing...

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump has pretty close ties to professional wrestling, I think via McMahon.
Trump is a member of the WWE Hall of Fame. (For those new here, no I am not making that up.)

Yep...which is exactly my point. That and Linda McMahon runs a Trump Super PAC which I think is the major reason for DeSantis' decision.

 

[Segnosaur]

Trump has pretty close ties to professional wrestling, I think via McMahon.

Yep...which is exactly my point. That and Linda McMahon runs a Trump Super PAC which I think is the major reason for DeSantis' decision.

Yes, there are ties between Trump and McMahon.

To be honest though, I don't think that factors much into the decision to let the WWE continue creating shows in Florida.

I do watch wrestling, and the shows themselves seem to be fairly low-risk affairs.... no audience, probably minimal staff. Employees are also screened regularly (temperatures taken before entering the arena) and mask use is encouraged. (I don't know if they make any effort to keep wrestlers separate backstage; I hope they do.)

The WWE does have a significant media presence so it makes sense that the Florida gov. would want to keep them happy (even if they didn't have a relationship with Trump.)

 

[Segnosaur]

Remember that anti-Malarial drug Trump kept pushing as some sort of miracle cure? "How can it hurt" he said.

From: https://nationalpost.com/news/world...touted-by-trump-stopped-after-11-patients-die
A possible treatment for COVID-19, heavily touted by U.S. President Donald Trump in recent weeks, has been withdrawn from high-dose use in a Brazilian trial because it was feared to be having adverse effects on patients’ hearts. Chloroquine...has inspired hope in some medical circles amid reports that it can help to offset the symptoms of the deadly virus. But the New York Times reports that a recent clinical trial saw patients develop irregular heartbeats, a number of whom developed heart arrhythmias and later died.

(I think someone else posted in another thread about other studies from Europe that wer likewise canceled amid problems.)

 

[Stacyhs]

Yes, there are ties between Trump and McMahon.

To be honest though, I don't think that factors much into the decision to let the WWE continue creating shows in Florida.

I do watch wrestling, and the shows themselves seem to be fairly low-risk affairs.... no audience, probably minimal staff. Employees are also screened regularly (temperatures taken before entering the arena) and mask use is encouraged. (I don't know if they make any effort to keep wrestlers separate backstage; I hope they do.)

The WWE does have a significant media presence so it makes sense that the Florida gov. would want to keep them happy (even if they didn't have a relationship with Trump.)

How anyone thinks the WWE is an essential service is beyond me. Keeping the WWE 'happy' is about as unimportant as it gets.

 

[rockysmith76]

Does that remain true if without an abortion both the mother and foetus will die?

I said the frivolous ones, the ones where baby was basically an oops and an act of irresponsibility and would also take away a hospital bed from one of the life threatening ones. That said, likening abortions, given the myriad of other potential serious operations that could be needed, to being as essential as food is just a stupid analogy.

 

[Stacyhs]

Remember that anti-Malarial drug Trump kept pushing as some sort of miracle cure? "How can it hurt" he said.

From: https://nationalpost.com/news/world...touted-by-trump-stopped-after-11-patients-die
A possible treatment for COVID-19, heavily touted by U.S. President Donald Trump in recent weeks, has been withdrawn from high-dose use in a Brazilian trial because it was feared to be having adverse effects on patients’ hearts. Chloroquine...has inspired hope in some medical circles amid reports that it can help to offset the symptoms of the deadly virus. But the New York Times reports that a recent clinical trial saw patients develop irregular heartbeats, a number of whom developed heart arrhythmias and later died.

(I think someone else posted in another thread about other studies from Europe that wer likewise canceled amid problems.)

Fake News! It's a 'game changer' and the early testing results are 'very, very encouraging'! (Not a) Dr.Trump says so.

 

[Segnosaur]

Does that remain true if without an abortion both the mother and foetus will die?

I said the frivolous ones, the ones where baby was basically an oops and an act of irresponsibility and would also take away a hospital bed from one of the life threatening ones.

In case you didn't know...

Most abortions take place in the first trimester and don't require hospitalization.

Also, keep in mind that if the goal were really to limit the spread of Covid-19, then banning abortions is the worst thing to do... after all, an abortion would require maybe one or 2 visits to a clinic, and its done... On the other hand, a pregnant woman who is keeping the baby will have to go to seek medical attention multiple times (for example, a recommended once a month visit at minimum to the doctor, plus other visits for ultrasounds, blood tests, etc.) And that's assuming the baby and mother are healthy. Each one of those visits provides additional risk for spreading the virus.

 

[rockysmith76]

In case you didn't know...

Most abortions take place in the first trimester and don't require hospitalization.

Also, keep in mind that if the goal were really to limit the spread of Covid-19, then banning abortions is the worst thing to do... after all, an abortion would require maybe one or 2 visits to a clinic, and its done... On the other hand, a pregnant woman who is keeping the baby will have to go to seek medical attention multiple times (for example, a recommended once a month visit at minimum to the doctor, plus other visits for ultrasounds, blood tests, etc.) And that's assuming the baby and mother are healthy. Each one of those visits provides additional risk for spreading the virus.

Or maybe just keep ones legs shut. Seems simpler.

 

[lomiller]

How anyone thinks the WWE is an essential service is beyond me. Keeping the WWE 'happy' is about as unimportant as it gets.

Keeping Donald Trump happy is pretty darned if you don’t want the federal government shorting you on ventilators and other pandemic related medical supplies. Trump is in the WWE hall of fame, and Linda McMahon has been part of the Trump administration since 2017.