The Alex Salmond trial

Indeed, but the only actual indiscretion that Salmond committed that was admitted to or proved in court was the "sleepy cuddle" thing. Which he apologised for at the time, and the apology was accepted. The woman was offered the chance to transfer to another job at the same salary that wouldn't have involved working with Salmond and she declined, being apparently quite content to go on working with him.

The rest of it was shown either to be completely fabricated, or to be entirely innocent non-sexual touching that was being quite literally sexed-up. So I'm not exactly getting my pitchfork out on this one. The fact that not one indiscretion even of the hair-pulling or hand-on-leg variety could be dredged up from his 15 years or so as an MP is another thing. As Jim Sillars said, Margo had her finger on every pulse there was, and if there had been the slightest breath of a hint that Salmond was touching women up, she would have heard. The same theme emerges from multiple quarters among people who have known him or been in his company for some time.

If he was "unfaithful" to his wife, that's between him and his wife.
 
He said of Salmond's actions "It's no right, but it's no war crimes..." and he went on to accept the behaviour was wrong, but it did not amount to a sexual criminal act.

The police are under a lot of pressure to stop sexual behaviour that has in the past been accepted/tolerated and often forced on others, usually females who are then expected to accept and tolerate it. It is older powerful men who have mostly written the laws and apply them, so to what extent is the law still stacked in their favour and women are expected to put up with their actions?

Implicitly I favour this case. I have heard the case that some older senior man is just tactile. But the touching only seems to involve younger female inferiors. The hand on your arm, the pat on your shoulder never happens to your male equivalents.

Rolfe implies (and may be speaking the truth) that these women were outright lying. I tend to believe that AS is a bit touchy-feely, perhaps he was unaware of how uncomfortable that behaviour makes women feel. But as a leader of a 'radical' party he should have been. As a senior male politician he should have been very careful about being alone with a woman.

However, what Rolfe writes disturbs me even more that the party leadership are involved with corruption that is affecting the judiciary. The SNP has had a tendency towards a 'one party state' where senior appointments in Quangos etc. seem to go to party members. (This may not be true, but people believe that they will be more likely to be promoted in the public sector if they are party members.) I cannot think of an equivalent case for the conservative or labour parties. Perhaps the Jeremy Thorpe or Cyril Smith cases were equivalent for the liberal party, but they were never in power at the relevant time.

Is Rolfe really a secret Unionist sowing disinformation, perhaps a mouthpiece for a MI5 cabal? The alternative I find quite scary.

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To be clear I would like Rolfe to be wrong as it is a more comfortable option than Rolfe being correct; but in my heart I think Rolfe is right and I may be wrong.
 
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Indeed, but the only actual indiscretion that Salmond committed that was admitted to or proved in court was the "sleepy cuddle" thing. Which he apologised for at the time, and the apology was accepted. The woman was offered the chance to transfer to another job at the same salary that wouldn't have involved working with Salmond and she declined, being apparently quite content to go on working with him.

The rest of it was shown either to be completely fabricated, or to be entirely innocent non-sexual touching that was being quite literally sexed-up. So I'm not exactly getting my pitchfork out on this one. The fact that not one indiscretion even of the hair-pulling or hand-on-leg variety could be dredged up from his 15 years or so as an MP is another thing. As Jim Sillars said, Margo had her finger on every pulse there was, and if there had been the slightest breath of a hint that Salmond was touching women up, she would have heard. The same theme emerges from multiple quarters among people who have known him or been in his company for some time.

If he was "unfaithful" to his wife, that's between him and his wife.

The balance of power is shifting away from powerful men who think it is excusable to act in a manner that would anger them if someone else did it to their wife/mother/sister.

Powerful men need to not indulge in any indiscretions at all, or they risk being prosecuted, such is the demand, particularly by women's groups, to have such behaviour stopped.
 
Implicitly I favour this case. I have heard the case that some older senior man is just tactile. But the touching only seems to involve younger female inferiors. The hand on your arm, the pat on your shoulder never happens to your male equivalents.

As I said above, the balance of power is shifting away from powerful males who indulge in certain behaviours towards women that can now get them prosecuted.

I think that is a good thing.

Rolfe implies (and may be speaking the truth) that these women were outright lying. I tend to believe that AS is a bit touchy-feely, perhaps he was unaware of how uncomfortable that behaviour makes women feel. But as a leader of a 'radical' party he should have been. As a senior male politician he should have been very careful about being alone with a woman.

There is evidence that witnesses colluded to get Salmond into trouble and there was lying.

However, what Rolfe writes disturbs me even more that the party leadership are involved with corruption that is affecting the judiciary. The SNP has had a tendency towards a 'one party state' where senior appointments in Quangos etc. seem to go to party members. (This may not be true, but people believe that they will be more likely to be promoted in the public sector if they are party members.) I cannot think of an equivalent case for the conservative or labour parties. Perhaps the Jeremy Thorpe or Cyril Smith cases were equivalent for the liberal party, but they were never in power at the relevant time.

Is Rolfe really a secret Unionist sowing disinformation, perhaps a mouthpiece for a MI5 cabal? The alternative I find quite scary.

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To be clear I would like Rolfe to be wrong as it is a more comfortable option than Rolfe being correct; but in my heart I think Rolfe is right and I may be wrong.

Rolf can reply to that if she even deems it worthy of a response :covereyes
 
I didn't really follow it closely. Am I right in that his defence was the sex was consentual, the other charges didn't happen or were only cuddles or gentle stroking.

I know my wife, who did follow the trial, found his admitted behaviour to be creepy and wrong. Sounds about right even if it was not, as he said "criminal".

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Implicitly I favour this case. I have heard the case that some older senior man is just tactile. But the touching only seems to involve younger female inferiors. The hand on your arm, the pat on your shoulder never happens to your male equivalents.


There is no doubt this type of man exists, and is indeed disturbingly common. There is no evidence that Salmond was or is one of them.

Bear in mind he was an MP from 1987 to 2001. He was in Westminster at a time when sexual indiscretions by MPs were in the news. He was also pretty well hated by the entire establishment. If there was anything they could have got him on at that time, they would have used it.

Not only that, longstanding SNP members can testify that this was not the case, including me. As a member of London Branch from 1992 on I was in his company on quite a number of occasions, from a big event in Portcullis House to mark St Andrew's Day one year, to various assorted small meetings, Burns Suppers, that sort of thing, also including a Peterhead branch party (don't ask) where he was sitting on the floor with everyone else including his wife and laughing and joking with everyone. Women tell each other about men to avoid in these situations. I was on the branch committee. Not only did I not see Alex Salmond do anything inappropriate (and he certainly never laid a finger on me and we were easily close enough and interacting in such a way that he could have done it), nobody else ever voiced any concerns. Also bear in mind that he was in his early forties at this time.

Jim Sillars has also commented that his late wife Margo had her finger on every pulse that was going, and if there had been any concerns about Alex Salmond having too many hands, she would have known. There were none. There is also a report from an air hostess who was involved in hostess duties for evening dinners given by her employers which included many prominent businessmen and politicians. She said some of the attendees seemed to think the hostesses were fair game and they had a grapevine and lists of men to avoid. Alex Salmond was quite often at these dinners and never appeared on these lists.

The police contacted 400 women who had been in Alex Salmond's company, going back right through this time and before. They were extremely keen to find allegations by women who were not part of the small inner ring of the present SNP clique who would make allegations against him. Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Rolfe implies (and may be speaking the truth) that these women were outright lying. I tend to believe that AS is a bit touchy-feely, perhaps he was unaware of how uncomfortable that behaviour makes women feel. But as a leader of a 'radical' party he should have been. As a senior male politician he should have been very careful about being alone with a woman.


He himself said he could have been more careful of other people's personal space. But the sheer absence of people outside the witches' coven prepared to say that he did something criminally inappropriate - in a context where tweaking one woman's hair and leaning forward past his wife to give another woman a push in the back to hurry her up an outside staircase in rainy and windy weather were deemed to be criminally inappropriate - is striking.

However, what Rolfe writes disturbs me even more that the party leadership are involved with corruption that is affecting the judiciary. The SNP has had a tendency towards a 'one party state' where senior appointments in Quangos etc. seem to go to party members. (This may not be true, but people believe that they will be more likely to be promoted in the public sector if they are party members.) I cannot think of an equivalent case for the conservative or labour parties. Perhaps the Jeremy Thorpe or Cyril Smith cases were equivalent for the liberal party, but they were never in power at the relevant time.


I am afraid this is true, although I don't know about "affecting the judiciary". There is a great deal more to come out.

It appears that this sorry saga dates back to Alex Salmond making noises about returning to politics, apparently as a result of deep dissatisfaction with his protege Nicola Sturgeon's lack of progress towards independence and generally supine deference to Westminster. A plot was cooked up to acquire allegations of sexual misconduct to keep on file so that they could be used to deny him accreditation as an SNP candidate and threaten him with exposure if he tried to force the issue.

Potential complainers were identified, possibly starting with woman K, the only known victim of an indiscretion by Alex Salmond. He had had a bit of a cuddle with her late one night when they'd both been working late. Both recognised this should not have happened. She reported it to her line manager and Salmond issued a formal apology, which was accepted. He also offered to secure her a job on an equivalent salary in another part of the civil service where she would not have to work with him. She declined, saying she was quite happy to continue to work with him.

That incident was resurrected and dusted down, and started literally to grow arms and legs. Additional details were added that had never been part of the original narrative. The woman who had accepted the apology and had indicated she was happy to go on working with Salmond now alleged assault with intent to rape.

There was a problem that the complaints that would be required to get this off the ground were not actually admissible by the civil service rules as they stood. Leslie Evans, the Permanent Secretary and one of the central movers in this, proceeded to rewrite the rules to allow these complaints, of necessity backdating the new rules. All the while she was doing this she was in contact with the potential complainers assisting them to make their complaints compatible with the new rules she was drawing up.

I am unsure how many complaints were in the package at this stage, but I don't think it was all of them. Salmond got wind of what was happening and raised objections. The new rules denied him the chance of knowing what he was accused of or responding. They were very opaque. In the end he raised an action for judicial review in the High Court, and won.

This seems to have enraged the cabal. Within minutes of the judgement being announced Leslie Evans messaged "We have lost this battle but we will win the war!"

This was the point at which the police became involved. It appears that there was originally no intention of reporting any of this to the police. What you think of women whose reaction to being the victims of attempted rape or other sexual assaults is to keep it to themselves (indeed to go on interacting with the man with no sign of discomfort and indeed to continue to seek his political patronage) but then years later approach a political party and offer it the allegation to "keep in the drawer" in case the man tried to make a political comeback I'll leave you to decide. Similarly what you think of a political party that does exactly that, rather than advising the woman to go straight to the police is another question.

I think this is why the allegations turned out to be disprovable. They weren't meant to be tested in court. An attempted rape was alleged on an occasion when the woman could be proved not to have been present in the building at all. An alleged groping incident took place in full view of a crowd of people, some of whom were able to testify under oath that it didn't happen. An allegation of a momentary hand on the knee in a car would have required reaching across a large fixed armrest with a telephone installed in it, which would have been seen by others in the car. And the journey this was said to have happened on was only a few hundred yards. And so on.

I'm not sure how many of the eventual charges were on the table when the case was passed to the police and how many were added during the police investigation, but as I said in the end no allegations were brought relating to anyone outside the inner ring of Nicola Sturgeon's woke besties in the SNP and the civil service. That they eventually included the ringlet-tweak and the prod in the back is testament to how weak the case was. And it wasn't just the police who were trying to find more allegations - there were emails within the SNP, thinly disguised as concern for women's general safety, that were designed to smoke out more. Nothing.

Now obviously some of these incidents happened. The women weren't lying about the prod in the back or the ringlet tweak. What they were lying about is having been distressed by them at the time and regarding them as sexual assault. None of them reported more than one incident as far as I know. None of them asked Salmond to desist, or refrain from doing that again, even light-heartedly. None of them attempted to withdraw from contact with him. Some were eagerly seeking his personal involvement with their own campaigns or pet projects. They did testify that they had reported the incidents to their line manager at the time, but the line manager was a witness for the defence and she testified that they had not complained and there were no complaints on file. (The ringlet-tweak is quite interesting because it seems that someone else present, a man who also seems to be part of the woke inner ring, protested on the woman's behalf at the time and was told "don't be daft". Apparently people were always tweaking the woman's ringlets, men and women, and she didn't seem particularly to mind. But then once she'd been drawn into the conspiracy, suddenly she was prepared to call it sexual assault after all.)

I believe they really thought that the strength of the #metoo and #believewomen hashtags, and the Harvey Weinstein affair, would compensate for the flimsy nature of the case and lead the jury to bring in a guilty verdict regardless. And judging by some of the reactions I've seen over the past two weeks, they might have been in with a chance. The new tactic is to go bleating to journalists and a rape crisis centre to get their tear-stained accounts of the personal trauma of not being believed all over the press. Simultaneously claiming to be voiceless and silenced.

Is Rolfe really a secret Unionist sowing disinformation, perhaps a mouthpiece for a MI5 cabal? The alternative I find quite scary.

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To be clear I would like Rolfe to be wrong as it is a more comfortable option than Rolfe being correct; but in my heart I think Rolfe is right and I may be wrong.


There is a nest of vipers in the centre of the SNP and the Scottish government at the moment. For how long this has been influencing policy and legislation I don't know. It needs a revolution and a good clear-out and it's going to get very nasty because these people will not go quietly.
 
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The balance of power is shifting away from powerful men who think it is excusable to act in a manner that would anger them if someone else did it to their wife/mother/sister.

Powerful men need to not indulge in any indiscretions at all, or they risk being prosecuted, such is the demand, particularly by women's groups, to have such behaviour stopped.


That's entirely true. However this is not an example of such a situation. It is in contrast an example of how a cabal of vindictive liars with an agenda can take advantage of this shift in power to destroy a man who has done nothing criminal and indeed has been quite remarkable in not accumulating a comet's tail of allegations behind him as he moved through a long and high-powered political career.
 
I didn't really follow it closely. Am I right in that his defence was the sex was consentual, the other charges didn't happen or were only cuddles or gentle stroking.

I know my wife, who did follow the trial, found his admitted behaviour to be creepy and wrong. Sounds about right even if it was not, as he said "criminal".


There wasn't any sex. The single incident that actually happened (woman F) was an inappropriate cuddling session when they were working together late at night. This was acknowledged to have been inappropriate at the time and an apology issued and accepted. If your wife thinks this incident was "creepy and wrong" then fair enough, but as the only actual instance of inappropriate behaviour that could be found relating to a man in his 60s who has spent his entire career in frontline politics, I think it's quite remarkable.

Bear in mind Salmond did not admit the subsequent re-framing of this which added groping under clothing (never part of the original complaint) and turned it into an assault with intent to rape. He agreed that the "sleepy cuddle" had happened, that's all.

The attempted rape charge, woman H, simply didn't happen. It was proved in court that she wasn't even there on the night in question, and there can be no question of a mistaken date due to the nature of the dinner with the Z-list celebrity. He wasn't a frequent guest at intimate dinners in Bute House.

There was no gentle stroking. There was a playful tweak of a woman's springy ringlet. There was a prod in the back to get a loitering woman to hurry up. There were other things like the Christmas card re-enactment and the zombie attack that were not seen as sexual by anyone at the time but were reinterpreted by the Get Salmond operation.

I went through most of the 1990s coming into contact with the 40-45 year old Alex Salmond on quite a lot of occasions, and was friendly with many other women who also came in contact with him often, including women who worked in the SNP offices in the House of Commons, and including one woman who was a defence witness. I remember discussing all the sex scandals that were plaguing other parties at the time. I said, this is what the SNP is doing wrong, we have never had a sex scandal to make us a legitimate party like these others! Someone else laughed and gestured figuratively at our then-complement of politicians. "These guys! I don't think so!"

Bear in mind also that these alleged incidents happened at the height of the independence campaign, when all eyes were on Salmond and the entire British establishment and its press hangers-on would have given their right arms for a "Sleazy Salmond" story - and he knew it. He had managed to keep himself squeaky-clean all through the long Westminster years, and then during his time in Holyrood from 1999 progressing to First Minister from 2007. How likely is it that he suddenly turned into an uncontrollable groper, including groping women in extremely public places with photographers looking on, when his entire life's objective was just within sight and was at stake?

This re-framing of Salmond as a creepy too-many-hands predator is something I simply don't recognise and I don't think you'll find anyone outside Nicola Sturgeon's coven of woke besties who does.
 
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That's entirely true. However this is not an example of such a situation. It is in contrast an example of how a cabal of vindictive liars with an agenda can take advantage of this shift in power to destroy a man who has done nothing criminal and indeed has been quite remarkable in not accumulating a comet's tail of allegations behind him as he moved through a long and high-powered political career.

To clarify, there was one instance of inappropriate conduct that has been accepted, the rest are all denied. Is that correct?
 
There wasn't any sex.
There was no gentle stroking. .
I thought he had consentual sex with someone. Are these reports of the trial wrong?

https://www.expressandstar.com/news...d-consensual-sex-with-attempted-rape-accuser/

https://www.thenational.scot/news/1...rial-former-fm-tells-jury-consensual-liaison/

The gentle stroking was something about waking a woman by gently stroking her face. Again are these reports of his evidence wrong?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...-salmond-tells-trial-allegations-21706508.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...x-salmond-secretary-stroking-face-behave/amp/

For clarity waking a colleague by stroking their face is creepy.
YMMV
 
To the best of my belief. And that instance was dealt with at the time it happened by an apology (accepted) and an offer of a job transfer out of Salmond's orbit (declined). The later reimagining of that instance as an assault with intent to rape was denied. That was the one not proven verdict, I suspect because it was the single allegation where it was not clear that the complainant was consciously lying.

The rest were either proved not to have happened at all, or were instances of non-sexual contact which had (much later) been blown up into something very different. All of these resulted in not guilty verdicts.

The reason I'm saying so much about this now is that I simply couldn't get my head round the very idea that Alex Salmond of all people was being accused of these things. I also had a very tearful lady from London Branch on the phone crying with disbelief that someone she had known and admired for many years could possibly be accused of all this. I didn't know what to think. Could I and everyone I knew have misjudged him so badly? Would evidence come out that would have me saying, that's appalling, hell mend him, how could he have fooled us all for so long? And then when the evidence appeared, and it became clear who his accusers where and how they had cooked the whole thing up, a very different light was shone on it.

These lying harpies still want to ruin Salmond by getting this narrative of him as a chronic groper, a sex pest who fell just short of criminal, into the public domain. And since all the newspapers seem happy to run with this agenda, at the moment they are having some success. It's early days though and there is a Holyrood inquiry to come.
 
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I thought he had consentual sex with someone. Are these reports of the trial wrong?

https://www.expressandstar.com/news...d-consensual-sex-with-attempted-rape-accuser/

https://www.thenational.scot/news/1...rial-former-fm-tells-jury-consensual-liaison/

The gentle stroking was something about waking a woman by gently stroking her face. Again are these reports of his evidence wrong?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...-salmond-tells-trial-allegations-21706508.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...x-salmond-secretary-stroking-face-behave/amp/

For clarity waking a colleague by stroking their face is creepy.
YMMV


He had some sort of consensual sexual encounter with someone which was not the subject of any charge. I rather think that's not unusual these days.

The Sun story seems to be getting two separate allegations mixed up. The intervention was in relation to the ringlet tweak, not the face-stroking. I wasn't there when the face-stroking happened. These were people who were working all hours together. We all were, politicians and grassroots campaigners alike. I'm trying to imagine how I would have reacted to someone in the grassroots Yes campaign waking me or someone else up by stroking our face and all I can say is it would depend on the context. Done once by someone I was on friendly terms with and who had not been in any habit of making a pass at me, I probably would think it was affectionate. Given what I know about Salmond over many years and what I have found out about the women who agreed to make these allegations, I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Something else that occurred to me. These women are not office juniors or filing clerks. They are career women, women with political ambition or actually holding senior political office. Let's not run away with the idea that this is a boss feeling up his secretary or anything of that nature.

This is an interesting example of powerful, confident women appropriating the victim status of powerless women who have been abused and have been too afraid for their jobs or their reputation to do anything about it. I can absolutely sympathise with a woman or a girl in a junior secretary role who is too timid to ask her boss to keep his filthy hands off her. I have a lot less sympathy with women in senior political or even civil service roles who apparently can't find the gumption to say "please don't do that it makes me uncomfortable", or even get the same message across by making a joke of it.

Say nothing, do nothing, carry on working with the guy, send messages trying to get the guy to come and endorse your pet project or sponsor you as a political candidate, say how much you like working with him - and bear in mind none of the women alleging these minor interactions were sexual assaults had more than one indicent to report - and then years later this is sexual assault? Then lie about having reported it to your line manager at the time?

Come to think of it, there must have been office juniors and secretarial staff and so on working around Alex Salmond too. And yet all the allegations were from career women, even elected politicians. All the allegations were from this one wee clique who cooked it all up with the thousands of WhatsApp messages we haven't been allowed to see.

Yeah I am getting tired of people continuing to call Alex Salmond a creep and sleazy. If he had the occasional extra-marital fling with a consenting adult, well how unusual is that? If this lot is all that could be found on him over a political career spanning thirty years and more, and almost all of that turns out to be malicious lies, he probably deserves a medal.
 
Is there any way that the accusers will ever be named?
 
I expect it will come out in the end. Half of Scotland, including every single journalist, knows who they all are. I know who five of them are (the ones who are well-known in the SNP). All it needs is someone to publish them from a foreign country out of reach of Scotland's contempt of court laws.
 
Something else that occurred to me. These women are not office juniors or filing clerks. They are career women, women with political ambition or actually holding senior political office. Let's not run away with the idea that this is a boss feeling up his secretary or anything of that nature.

This is an interesting example of powerful, confident women appropriating the victim status of powerless women who have been abused and have been too afraid for their jobs or their reputation to do anything about it. I can absolutely sympathise with a woman or a girl in a junior secretary role who is too timid to ask her boss to keep his filthy hands off her. I have a lot less sympathy with women in senior political or even civil service roles who apparently can't find the gumption to say "please don't do that it makes me uncomfortable", or even get the same message across by making a joke of it.

Say nothing, do nothing, carry on working with the guy, send messages trying to get the guy to come and endorse your pet project or sponsor you as a political candidate, say how much you like working with him - and bear in mind none of the women alleging these minor interactions were sexual assaults had more than one indicent to report - and then years later this is sexual assault? Then lie about having reported it to your line manager at the time?

Come to think of it, there must have been office juniors and secretarial staff and so on working around Alex Salmond too. And yet all the allegations were from career women, even elected politicians. All the allegations were from this one wee clique who cooked it all up with the thousands of WhatsApp messages we haven't been allowed to see.

Yeah I am getting tired of people continuing to call Alex Salmond a creep and sleazy. If he had the occasional extra-marital fling with a consenting adult, well how unusual is that? If this lot is all that could be found on him over a political career spanning thirty years and more, and almost all of that turns out to be malicious lies, he probably deserves a medal.
I strongly disagree that the higher someone's position is the more abuse they should be able to take. I fully support Sir Philip Rutnam, ex head civil servant in the Home Office for resigning if the bullying accusations by Pritti Patel are upheld. That sort of behaviour is wrong at whatever level. The same is true of sexual harassment. It is in my view totally irrelevant whether it is a 16 year old work experience intern or a career women or man holding a senior job. Abuse of any kind at any level is unacceptable.

Neither do I think that being found not guilty of sexual assault makes one deserving of a medal. I don't expect politicians, nurses, builders or anyone to commit assault.

I also disagree with you on the acceptability of affairs,. Where I work people in a relationship are not allowed to work together. I see that as a sensible way of avoiding potential conflicts of interest. Shagging someone other than your spouse used to be a sacking offence. I think it brings into question whether someone is trustworthy but I am increasingly in the minority on that.Seems we as a nation are becoming more French in our attitudes.
 
That might all be reasonable comment if the "abuse" had actually happened. I point out the senior nature of the women involved to highlight the improbability of every single one of them being so cowed and intimidated that they felt unable to say anything at all to Salmond to indicate that the actions they complained about were unwelcome.

To reiterate, I'm not saying "this happened but it's not so bad because these were career women in senior positions." I'm saying "this didn't happen and one of the reasons we should be suspicious is that none of these women, who were the very opposite of shrinking violets, said anything at all about these "sexual assaults" at the time."

I also mentioned the office juniors and the secretaries to point out the improbability of someone with these alleged habits having confined his pestilential activities to senior colleagues (all from one particular clique and in one particular defined time period) with absolutely no complaints from junior female staff or indeed anyone else outside this particular WhatsApp group and that particular time window.
 
That the complainers were not "the office juniors" does mean my earlier comment of "It is older powerful men who have mostly written the laws and apply them, so to what extent is the law still stacked in their favour and women are expected to put up with their actions?" not applicable in this case.
 
I went through most of the 1990s coming into contact with the 40-45 year old Alex Salmond on quite a lot of occasions, and was friendly with many other women who also came in contact with him often, including women who worked in the SNP offices in the House of Commons, and including one woman who was a defence witness.


This may or may not be relevant to the case, but have you had much contact with Sturgeon? If so, what sort of a person does she seem to be when the cameras aren't turned on?
 

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