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"The 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact Or Fiction?" on the History Channel

WildCat said:
Except they cite actual experts, unlike the dolts who make up the truth movement. Who are the experts in the truth movement? We have Alex Jones, a paranoid talk show host, citing David Ray Griffin, a theology professor. The founders of the truth movement are anti-semite holocaust deniers. The biggest film in your whole movement was made by a college reject repeating the claims of a theology professor.

7 years later not a single paper by a truther "expert" has been published in a real journal.

It must really suck to be a truther, knowing there are no actual experts in anything relevant supporting them.
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To be fair the truth movement does have structural engineers in it. On the other hand, they haven't created a paper worthy of being published in a (move the goal posts) "real" journal.
 
Sizzler said:
Right, so why do I have to listen to them talking from a position of authority every time (well not every time) I see a TV documentary?

And, why is the welder/demolition (sounds like good credentials to me) guy not considered an expert but rather a conspiracy theorist.

These shows are glaringly unbalanced.
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Have you actually SEEN any truther videos? And you have the nerve to call the PM documentary 'unbalanced'? Shocking I know, but I am beginning to suspect your objections may have an ideological twinge to them...
 
Sizzler said:
And, why is the welder/demolition (sounds like good credentials to me) guy not considered an expert but rather a conspiracy theorist.
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Having a job doing something does not make you an expert at it. Earning the respect of your peers does.

Connect the dots, and your question will be answered.

PS: Is he the guy who was listed as "truck driver?" I'd forgotten that piece of gold from the show. :D
 
The doc says..."Expert Response" and then cuts to David Colburn. What the hell is that? Garbage in my opinion.
 
twinstead said:
Have you actually SEEN any truther videos? And you have the nerve to call the PM documentary 'unbalanced'? Shocking I know, but I am beginning to suspect your objections may have an ideological twinge to them...
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Lets keep this in context. Truther videos are not trying to be balanced, I think we all know that (I don't like truther videos for that exact reason).

PM, the History Channel et al. are claiming to be balanced inquiry. The certainly are not.

Same *****, different pile in my opinion.
 
Drudgewire said:
Having a job doing something does not make you an expert at it. Earning the respect of your peers does.

Connect the dots, and your question will be answered.

PS: Is he the guy who was listed as "truck driver?" I'd forgotten that piece of gold from the show. :D
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I think the demolition industry is a little different than say, engineering. I may be wrong here, but I am under the impression that one does not need a degree of any sort to work in demolition. He claims in the video to have 12 years experience in demolition. At what point would he be considered an expert? And if indeed it does take the respect of his peers to achieve such, how do we know he doesn't already have that.

He is listed as a nurse.
 
Sizzler said:
PM, the History Channel et al. are claiming to be balanced inquiry. The certainly are not.
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It's hard to have a balanced inquiry when the entire weight of the evidence supports the accepted version of events, and all the conspiracy dolts have come up with after 7 years is "it doesn't look right to me and I hate Bush".
 
Sizzler said:
I think the demolition industry is a little different than say, engineering. I may be wrong here, but I am under the impression that one does not need a degree of any sort to work in demolition. He claims in the video to have 12 years experience in demolition. At what point would he be considered an expert? And if indeed it does take the respect of his peers to achieve such, how do we know he doesn't already have that.

He is listed as a nurse.
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What is he doing in the demolition industry? Is he prepping the building? Is he putting in the charges? Is he coordinating all the activities? Is he doing the engineering to make sure the demo goes according to plan?

Does an autoworker loading parts on the assembly line become an expert in auto manufacturing?
 
Sizzler said:
He claims in the video to have 12 years experience in demolition. At what point would he be considered an expert?
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Well, for starters...


He is listed as a nurse.
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Having "demolitions" (or at least something to do with buildings beyond working in one) somewhere in his job title might help. :p
 
WildCat said:
It's hard to have a balanced inquiry when the entire weight of the evidence supports the accepted version of events, and all the conspiracy dolts have come up with after 7 years is "it doesn't look right to me and I hate Bush".
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Which begs the question, why do a documentary of such rubbish in the first place?
 
Sizzler said:
Which begs the question, why do a documentary of such rubbish in the first place?
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Because, despite how badly twoofers want it to not be the case, reporting FACTS about 9/11 are automatically going to be unbalanced against the fairy tales which didn't stand up to any form of scrutiny prior to the show and never will.
 
Disbelief said:
What is he doing in the demolition industry? Is he prepping the building? Is he putting in the charges? Is he coordinating all the activities? Is he doing the engineering to make sure the demo goes according to plan?

Does an autoworker loading parts on the assembly line become an expert in auto manufacturing?
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We aren't given that information. Colburn is listed as an expert though. I guess working as a magazine editor is enough.
 
Sizzler said:
Which begs the question, why do a documentary of such rubbish in the first place?
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It's because of people who fall for these conspiracy theories. 911 is very similar to those who think the moon landings were hoaxed. A lot of scientists and others who worked on the Apollo project are a little offended that people think it was faked, on the slimmest of evidence.

I would imagine that most real experts who support the 'official story' are just as offended that people like you think they either don't know what they are talking about or in on it. Of course I could be wrong, and the vast majority of real experts actually are suspicious that 911 may have been an inside job--and the government responsible for the murder of 3000 people-- but are afraid to come out and say it because they might lose their tenure. ;)
 
Drudgewire said:
Because, despite how badly twoofers want it to not be the case, reporting FACTS about 9/11 are automatically going to be unbalanced against the fairy tales which didn't stand up to any form of scrutiny prior to the show and never will.
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You didn't answer my question. You simply repeated what you said before.
 
Sizzler said:
We aren't given that information. Colburn is listed as an expert though. I guess working as a magazine editor is enough.
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Jesus. The editors are just the MESSENGERS. Their documentary was contributed to by hundreds of REAL experts.

Or, perhaps you are well aware of it but prefer to complain about the editors because it makes it easier to wave away the facts?
 
Sizzler said:
We aren't given that information. Colburn is listed as an expert though. I guess working as a magazine editor is enough.
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Maybe the producers looked into that and found his self proclaimed expertise lacking.
 
twinstead said:
It's because of people who fall for these conspiracy theories. 911 is very similar to those who think the moon landings were hoaxed. A lot of scientists and others who worked on the Apollo project are a little offended that people think it was faked, on the slimmest of evidence.

I would imagine that most real experts who support the 'official story' are just as offended that people like you think they either don't know what they are talking about or in on it. Of course I could be wrong, and the vast majority of real experts actually are suspicious that 911 may have been an inside job--and the government responsible for the murder of 3000 people-- but are afraid to come out and say it because they might lose their tenure. ;)
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I see your point. But I don't think it is as quite right to compare it to the moon hoax conspiracy or any other "weak" conspiracy claims. The truth movement does have structural engineers, physicists, architects, ex-CIA, ex military, politicians, etc supporting its claims.
 
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