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The "28 pages" thread

Oystein said:
In related news yesterday, "Congress on Wednesday voted overwhelmingly to override a veto by President Obama for the first time, passing into law a bill that would allow the families of those killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to sue Saudi Arabia for any role in the plot." (NY Times, September 28, 2016)
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But... I was going to visit Germany but we might get sued for stuff the USA does for real.

Mr. Vladeck noted, a little-discussed provision of the bill allows the attorney general to intervene in the lawsuits and get a judge to stay any settlement as long as there are continuing discussions with the Saudis about a possible resolution.
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The provision was added earlier this year to soften the legislation — preserving the executive branch’s purview over foreign policy while still giving family members a path to sue.
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Oystein said:
In related news yesterday, "Congress on Wednesday voted overwhelmingly to override a veto by President Obama for the first time, passing into law a bill that would allow the families of those killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to sue Saudi Arabia for any role in the plot." (NY Times, September 28, 2016)
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And, in a strange echo of the Brexit vote, it seems they are regretting it already.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ure-may-need-to-be-revisited-after-elections/
 
Allen773 said:
This was posted by the 28pages.org website early last month, but I had never seen it. Pretty damning IMO.

Bush Administration Official: Saudi Ties to 9/11 Hidden to Protect Iraq War Narrative

Bush Administration Official: Saudi Ties to 9/11 Hidden to Protect Iraq War Narrative

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In his September 20, 2001 address to a joint session of Congress, President George W. Bush laid out a defining principle of his nascent war on terror: “We will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”

Even as he spoke those words, however, his administration had already embarked on a course that would mark them as a towering example of U.S. foreign policy hypocrisy. The Bush White House would soon present false claims linking 9/11 to Iraq, while simultaneously hiding credible evidence implicating Saudi Arabia—evidence summarized in the final, 28-page chapter of a 2002 joint congressional intelligence inquiry into 9/11.
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Seeking to discredit those pages, the U.S. and Saudi governments and 9/11 Commission chairs Lee Hamilton and Tom Keane have claimed the commission thoroughly investigated the various circumstances in the 28 pages before concluding that—in the words of the its final report—it “found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded” al Qaeda.

Wilkerson isn’t buying it.

“It’s utter hogwash with regard to the entire set of circumstances surrounding 9/11 in my view,” says Wilkerson. “As far as I know, there never was an official investigation of so many of the things that are intimated in there, not least of which is a really hard look by the intelligence community at the ultimate question of (Saudi) government knowledge, government direction, even government strategy associated with the Salafist movement in general but, more specifically, organizations like al Qaeda."

https://28pages.org/2016/08/08/forme...war-narrative/
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To expand on what Wilkerson said:

"Seeking to discredit those pages, the U.S. and Saudi governments and 9/11 Commission chairs Lee Hamilton and Tom Keane have claimed the commission thoroughly investigated the various circumstances in the 28 pages before concluding that—in the words of the its final report—it “found no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded” al Qaeda.

Wilkerson isn’t buying it.

“It’s utter hogwash with regard to the entire set of circumstances surrounding 9/11 in my view,” says Wilkerson. “As far as I know, there never was an official investigation of so many of the things that are intimated in there, not least of which is a really hard look by the intelligence community at the ultimate question of (Saudi) government knowledge, government direction, even government strategy associated with the Salafist movement in general but, more specifically, organizations like al Qaeda.”

Wilkerson says the 9/11 Commission’s avoidance of troubling conclusions about Saudi Arabia was pre-ordained with the selection of Philip Zelikow as its executive director. Zelikow had previously co-authored a book with Bush National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, served on the Bush transition team and had even written an articulation of Bush’s preemptive war doctrine that was issued in 2002 under the president’s signature.

“It was clear to me from the very beginning that he was there as a control agent. I didn’t know how definitively he would control the process until later,” says Wilkerson."

Even more evidence, as I have said many times in this forum, that the 9/11 Commission was a complete and total fraud. It is clear that they hid the evidence of Saudi involvement in supporting and in financing the attacks on 9/11.

But as in a court of law, when a defendant tells a lie, their whole testimony is considered a lie, and is thrown out. Not only did the 9/11 Commission hide the Saudi involvement in 9/11, they hid the criminal actions at the CIA and FBI HQ's that had deliberately allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11.

Now available are documents, specifically DE 939, that prove that the CIA management had ordered their CIA spy at the FBI ITOS unit, Tom Wilshire, to effectively criminally sabotage the FBI cranial investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by hiding from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing, the information at both the CIA and FBI HQs that both Mihdhar and Hazmi had actually taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing.

When Tom Wilshire had second thoughts in July 2001, (see DOJ IG report, July 5, 2001 email, Tom Wilshire back to the CIA), about not giving this information to these investigators, after he concluded that Mihdhar and Hazmi were going to take part in the horrific al Qaeda terrorist attack that the CIA had been getting warnings about since April 2001, his CIA managers Richard Blee, Cofer Black , and George Tenet ordered him specifically not to give this information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators.

But even more horrific, when the CIA and FBI HQs found out on August 21, 2001, that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in this massive al Qaeda terrorist attack, these CIA managers refused to rescind their order, even when they knew that if Wilshire carried out their orders to criminally sabotaged the investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, it would result in the murders of thousands of Americans.

On August 28, 29, 2001 FBI Agent Dina Corsi and her supervisor, Rod Middleton, under orders from Tom Wilshire shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi. Two weeks later almost 3000 people were murdered by the al Qaeda terrorists on 9/11.


https://28pages.org/2016/08/08/form...-to-911-hidden-to-protect-iraq-war-narrative/[/QUOTE]
 
paloalto said:
... people were murdered by the al Qaeda terrorists on 9/11.
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oops, the 28 pages, released have not changed anything.

I cut out the BS, and left the truth. 19 terrorists did 9/11, no one had a clue what they would do. The funding for the 19 terrorists is trivial, they did not buy 767/757s, they stole them.

What would funding for Saudi be? Who fund all of the Saudis? Saudis. Gee, have you been to Saudi Arabia? Who funds all the Saudis? Saudis.

Thus funding is not a good indication that something is going to happen, unless you think buying five dollar knives is a red flag for a future event of terror.

What have the 28 pages done? You lied about knowing 9/11 was going to happen before it happened, you live in a fantasy world of woo.


Allen773 said:
This was posted by the 28pages.org website early last month, but I had never seen it. Pretty damning IMO.

Bush Administration Official: Saudi Ties to 9/11 Hidden to Protect Iraq War Narrative

https://28pages.org/2016/08/08/form...-to-911-hidden-to-protect-iraq-war-narrative/
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What is funny, is to follow the money...
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/w...63663d3faee8d4fe1dd75ca3bd4f11d72275b28239088
28Pages.org - they want your money. Pretty damning IMO.

Where do the majority of Saudis get their money from?
Wanting money from relatives and people who knew nuts who kill others, not new...
http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/26/columbine.lawsuit.02/

A large part of the 30 million Saudis rely on the government for support, it is not a surprise 19 terrorists had funding from other Saudis who had no clue they would kill thousands on 9/11. No a surprise columbine killers had funding from their families, who had no clue they would murder people.
 
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beachnut said:
oops, the 28 pages, released have not changed anything.

I cut out the BS, and left the truth. 19 terrorists did 9/11, no one had a clue what they would do. The funding for the 19 terrorists is trivial, they did not buy 767/757s, they stole them.

What would funding for Saudi be? Who fund all of the Saudis? Saudis. Gee, have you been to Saudi Arabia? Who funds all the Saudis? Saudis.

Thus funding is not a good indication that something is going to happen, unless you think buying five dollar knives is a red flag for a future event of terror.

What have the 28 pages done? You lied about knowing 9/11 was going to happen before it happened, you live in a fantasy world of woo.



What is funny, is to follow the money...
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/w...63663d3faee8d4fe1dd75ca3bd4f11d72275b28239088
28Pages.org - they want your money. Pretty damning IMO.

Where do the majority of Saudis get their money from?
Wanting money from relatives and people who knew nuts who kill others, not new...
http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/26/columbine.lawsuit.02/

A large part of the 30 million Saudis rely on the government for support, it is not a surprise 19 terrorists had funding from other Saudis who had no clue they would kill thousands on 9/11. No a surprise columbine killers had funding from their families, who had no clue they would murder people.
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I no longer donate to certain charities because I found that my money was not going where I thought it was going. The controversy surrounding the "Wound Warrior" organization is a very good example where money was not going to those who needed the donations the most.

Truthers do not like to reveal the rest of the story, and that is , The Saudi government did not finance 9/11 and the Saudi government was not very friendly toward Osama bin Laden and his terrorist group, al-Qaeda.

Al Qaeda’s Financing: Sources, Movement, Uses Where did al Qaeda get its money?

Al Qaeda depended on fund-raising to support itself. It appears that al Qaeda relied on a core of financial facilitators who raised money from a variety of donors and other fund-raisers. Those donors were primarily in the Gulf countries, especially Saudi Arabia. Some individual donors knew of the ultimate destination of their donations, and others did not; they were approached by facilitators, fund-raisers, and employees of corrupted charities, particularly during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
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September 11 financing
The September 11 hijackers used U.S. and foreign financial institutions to hold, move, and retrieve their money. The hijackers deposited money into U.S. accounts, primarily by wire transfers and deposits of cash or travelers checks brought from overseas. Additionally, several of them kept funds in foreign accounts, which they accessed in the United States through ATM and credit card transactions. The hijackers received funds from facilitators in Germany and the United Arab Emirates or directly from Khalid Sheikh Mohamed (KSM) as they transited Pakistan before coming to the United States.

The plot cost al Qaeda somewhere in the range of $400,000–500,000, of which approximately $300,000 passed through the hijackers’ bank accounts in the United States. The hijackers returned approximately $26,000 to a facilitator in the UAE in the days prior to the attack. While in the United States, the hijackers spent money primarily for flight training, travel, and living expenses (such as housing, food, cars, and auto insurance). Extensive investigation has revealed no substantial source of domestic financial support.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/911_TerrFin_Monograph.pdf


Al-Qaeda vows revenge on Saudi Arabia over militants’ executions

Al-Qaeda has pledged to take revenge against Saudi Arabia by saying the Gulf state will pay for executing dozens of the terrorist group’s members, and promised to “deal” with the kingdom.

Al-Qaeda’s Yemeni branch and its North African affiliate called the mass executions, staged by Saudi Arabia on January 2, “a foolish act” - adding that the kingdom had disregarded previous warnings from the group and vowing to “avenge” the “blood of their brothers,” AFP reports.

Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb called the executions a New Year “gift” to “Crusaders,” apparently referring to Saudi Arabia’s Western allies in a statement posted on social media.

https://www.rt.com/news/328568-qaeda-revenge-saudi-executions/


Qatar's Role in Financing Terrorism

Qatar’s long history with terrorism funding starts from the very top: the royal family, according to the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. A friend of the royal family in Qatar, the 61-year-old hardline businessperson and professor Abd al-Rahman al-Nuaymi, was designated a global terrorist by the U.S. in December 2013. Nuaymi is a Qatari who lives and operates in Qatar.

The U.S. Treasury Department placed sanctions on him and declared him a "Qatar-based terrorist financier and facilitator who has provided money and material support and conveyed communications to al-Qaeda and its affiliates in Syria, Iraq, Somalia and Yemen for more than a decade."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/qatar-funding-al-qaeda-why-111900369.html


Osama bin Laden and Saudi Arabia

Bin Laden met with King Fahd, and Saudi Defense Minister Sultan, telling them not to depend on non-Muslim assistance from the United States and others, and offering to help defend Saudi Arabia with his Arab legion. Bin Laden's offer was rebuffed, and the Saudi monarchy invited the deployment of U.S. forces in Saudi territory.

Bin Laden publicly denounced Saudi dependence on the U.S. military, arguing the two holiest shrines of Islam, Mecca and Medina, the cities in which the Prophet Mohamed received and recited Allah's message, should only be defended by Muslims. Bin Laden's criticism of the Saudi monarchy led them to try to silence him.

Bin Laden continued to speak publicly against the Saudi government, for which the Saudis banished him. In 1992 he went to live in exile in Sudan, in a deal brokered by Ali Mohamedte]
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LSSBB said:
How about the 'bad intel'?
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Yes, it was stunningly bad.

The CIA had no active assets inside Iraq on any level between 1992 and 2001, and by the time they tried to sneak people in during the lead up to the war the Iraqi Secret Police were onto them at every turn.

Langley ignored it's better analysts, and Colin Powell and Bush didn't ask good enough questions from anybody.
 
I'll just leave this here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-CIA-terrorist-warnings-two-months-9-11.html

Short version: Two 2001 meetings with CIA and White House warned of AQ attack on CONUS. Rice ignored the warning, killed CIA plan to attack AQ, CIA thinks she did so to prevent a paper trail proving White House knew in advance.

Second meeting in August, there is a claim that Blee briefed POTUS on attack involving aircraft, NYC.

This one from Politico is less hysterical:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/cia-directors-documentary-911-bush-213353

This one points out that most of this stuff we already knew anyway, but we get more detail.:thumbsup:
 
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