The 2017 anniversary of 9/11 - not happening in Trutherland

[Oystein]

It's only a month till the next anniversary of the 9/11 tragedy rolls in. Of course we expect the millions that have woken up since last year to join the millions already awake in 2016 to join all the rallies, sit-ins, conferences, marches, prayers etc. that demand a new investigation, right?

Perhaps they kicked me off their mailing list, but I have not received a newsletter from AE911Truth since June.
Nor can I find any thrilling events organized by Gage and his minions on their webpage (last news entry: June also)
Nothing on Facebook.

I have not seen any event scheduled for September 11 on 911Blogger

And even the 911TAP event calendar is empty, except for a monthly conference call: https://www.911tap.org/9-11-tap-events/911tap-events-calendar/monthcalendar/2017/9


What a mighty Movement this is!

 

[FFTR]

They have nothing new to present. If some are still contributing to the likes of AE911T, it is just money down the drain.

How long does it take an organization to retest dust samples? Evidently years.

 

[JSanderO]

The question is will the movement officially in the towel and say we couldn't prove our case and so we must have erred? Or claim that there was so much irrational resistance to "the truth" that the struggle can't go anywhere.. and is effectively blocked and a wasted effort? Game over... or just go silent...?

I suspect the formal 9/11 truth movement will go silent with the sites remaining as a legacy. Fanatics will continue to try to keep the sinking ship afloat... but it will simply descend to the bottom of the ocean...

 

[Richard the G]

I think they are planning the big unveiling of the Hulsey study. I am sure there is still plenty of money in truth for it to continue for a few more years

 

[Oystein]

I am sure there is still plenty of money in truth for it to continue for a few more years

I doubt that.

Gage may still have steady income. AE had their annual "membership" drive (i.e. a campaign to renew monthly payment plans) in spring, and it came with a promise that any pledge that came within a certain time window would be doubled by some mystery rich dude in the background!

(Oh, and I just read in that same newsletter that they will be "Unveiling our brand-new, cutting-edge website in September" and need some money for that!)


But elsewhere, donations come very slowly. For example, there is another AE spin-off, the Lawers' Committee for yadda yadda - they have a fund raiser out with which they want to raise an initial $7000, with a long-term goal of $800,000 - but is is stuck at just over $1000. Within the last 3 months, they raised only $75! And they (Mick Harrisson) admitted at a recent 9/11 Truth Teleconference that money isn't flowing in and they are for now paying expenses out of their own pockets.


There are also no numbers of supporters behind the TM any longer. Petitions fare worse and worse as time progresses. the 9/11 Truth Action Project just released a "Quarterly Progress Report" for Q2/2017 on their "911TAP Petition Project". In December 2016, they had stated publicly that they want to get at least 1 million signatures within 4 years, as an official target - but they indicatedt they privately hoped for as much as 4 million. But as a first step, they defined as their most important present target to reach 32,000 by the end of this year.
Well, half of that year had passed, and by the end of June, they had only 1,842 signatures - not even 6% of target. And signatures had been coming in slower in Q2 than in Q1. They were on track to catastrophically failing their most important current objective - but you read none of that in the progress report! No mention of any targets!

There is zero honesty in the TM. It's never been in such bad shape.

 

[JSanderO]

When there is no traction or "progress" people will get disillusioned and lose whatever enthusiasm they might have had. People need to see some tangible results of progress toward a goal. For the truthers the progress would be the "authorities" and the MSM accepting the core ideas... things like: inside job, CD, no plane hit the pentagon...along with some of the specific claims... free fall, massive steel hurled 600 feet and so on.

I have not seen a single change in the authorities or MSM re 9/11. So some truthers want to know "why?_... is our argument(s) wrong? Are the arguments not read or heard? Is there a conspiracy to suppress it?

You'll read some excuses for the lack of progress... and the occasional celeb surfaces spouting truther beliefs... not that's about it. Hardcore truthers are not abandoning their beliefs...but their pitch is not working as expected. The reason being... it's not rigorous nor scientific... despite their claims to the contrary.

 

[Mark F]

I have not seen a single change in the authorities or MSM re 9/11. So some truthers want to know "why?_... is our argument(s) wrong?

I have not encountered any who entertain that thought in a very long time.

 

[Brainster]

I doubt that.

Gage may still have steady income. AE had their annual "membership" drive (i.e. a campaign to renew monthly payment plans) in spring, and it came with a promise that any pledge that came within a certain time window would be doubled by some mystery rich dude in the background!

(Oh, and I just read in that same newsletter that they will be "Unveiling our brand-new, cutting-edge website in September" and need some money for that!)


But elsewhere, donations come very slowly. For example, there is another AE spin-off, the Lawers' Committee for yadda yadda - they have a fund raiser out with which they want to raise an initial $7000, with a long-term goal of $800,000 - but is is stuck at just over $1000. Within the last 3 months, they raised only $75! And they (Mick Harrisson) admitted at a recent 9/11 Truth Teleconference that money isn't flowing in and they are for now paying expenses out of their own pockets.


There are also no numbers of supporters behind the TM any longer. Petitions fare worse and worse as time progresses. the 9/11 Truth Action Project just released a "Quarterly Progress Report" for Q2/2017 on their "911TAP Petition Project". In December 2016, they had stated publicly that they want to get at least 1 million signatures within 4 years, as an official target - but they indicatedt they privately hoped for as much as 4 million. But as a first step, they defined as their most important present target to reach 32,000 by the end of this year.
Well, half of that year had passed, and by the end of June, they had only 1,842 signatures - not even 6% of target. And signatures had been coming in slower in Q2 than in Q1. They were on track to catastrophically failing their most important current objective - but you read none of that in the progress report! No mention of any targets!

There is zero honesty in the TM. It's never been in such bad shape.

It's been pretty steadily dying since November 2008. They could no longer hold onto the fiction that a large percentage of the elected Democrats bought into their beliefs (but were just afraid of being executed by Bush/Cheney). I could see the declining numbers at 9-11 Blogger (before they hid their sitemeter), but I could also see them at SLC.

Gage did a pretty good job of pumping some air into the corpse to make it seem like it was still breathing for awhile, but has pretty much abandoned the facade. As you point out their events calendar, which should be a priority, hasn't been updated in a long time. Probably reflects what happens when you don't pay anybody.

Who's behind the Truth Action Project? It's it the old Victoria Ashley/Jim Hoffman gang? I do love that their project update notes that Milton, Massachusetts and Stuart, Florida are tied for the sixth most petitions signed with 11.

 

[Oystein]

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...As you point out their [AE911T's?] events calendar, which should be a priority, hasn't been updated in a long time. Probably reflects what happens when you don't pay anybody.

Oh I think Gage does pay a few people - without ever revealing it. The most useful sycophants.
Doesn't mean he is managing his organization well. He has pissed off too many fans and helpers over the time. Those he pays simple aren't the ones doing that work (like updating the events calendar).

...Who's behind the Truth Action Project? It's it the old Victoria Ashley/Jim Hoffman gang?

I don't think so. It's an AE911T spin-off
Wayne Coste (formerly an AE Board member) seems to be the founder, he brought along David Fura of the Oregon activism (OR has for many years "outperformed" all other states, AE-petition-wise), David Slesinger and the lawyer Bill Jacoby. The 2015 Form 990 listed the following as Board members:

Wayne Coste, Chair (30 hours/week)
Carl Seeger Henry, Vice-Chair (10 h/w)
William Jacoby, Secretary (25 h/w)
Gail Adams, Treasurer (2 h/w)​

I know nothing else about the second and the fourth person there. None was reported to receive any pay (out of the $33K revenues that year).
A new guy on the Board this year is Christopher Gruener. I know nothing about other than his AE profile:

Titel: Licensed Mental Health Counselor
Degree: <none>
Location: Newton Highlands, MA
Bio: "Christopher Gruener MA LMHC is a licensed mental health counselor, working in private practice in Newton MA. Christopher offers phone based counseling work, without a fee, to 9/11 Truth Activists/Groups who are seeking to maximize their community organizing effectiveness. He can be reached at 617-965-6552"
Personal Statement: "May 9/11 Truth (and the mysterious collapses of WTC Buildings 1,2, and 7) be properly investigated and widely publicized and may this contribute to greater justice, liberty, prosperity and peace for people all around the world."​

I do love that their project update notes that Milton, Massachusetts and Stuart, Florida are tied for the sixth most petitions signed with 11.

That's a hoot, isn't it?

In more than 10 years, AE911Truth collected under 25K signatures. 911TAP wanted to get to 32K within the first year.
Such disconnect from reality...

 

[JSanderO]

Don't tell me Gage will have to get a real job?

 

[dudalb]

What is amusing is Alex Jones complete and total abandoning of 9/11 Truth. It does not sell well with his current clientele....

 

[Loss Leader]

Wait a generation and then there'll be a huge resurgence like JFK and the lunatic idea that H.H. Holmes was Jack the Ripper.

 

[Horatius]

The question is will the movement officially in the towel and say we couldn't prove our case and so we must have erred? Or claim that there was so much irrational resistance to "the truth" that the struggle can't go anywhere.. and is effectively blocked and a wasted effort? Game over... or just go silent...?

I suspect the formal 9/11 truth movement will go silent with the sites remaining as a legacy. Fanatics will continue to try to keep the sinking ship afloat... but it will simply descend to the bottom of the ocean...

I predicted years ago that 9/11 Truth would eventually just become yet another part of the general background of the Conspiracy Theory worldview. You won't have conferences and protests centered around it, but you'll still get average CTists asking "You don't still believe 19 Muslims brought down WTC7?", the way we have them now asking, "You don't still believe that one guy shot JFK?"

They'll simply assume the truth of the CT claims, and vaguely assert that they were "proven" years ago.

 

[benthamitemetric]

Anyone want to try to peg the odds of how AE911Truth's next embarrassment will play out?

I'm guessing that the most likely scenario is that Hulsey/Gage/Szamboti(?) self-publish a PDF report under the sensational claim that they have proven fire could not bring down the building. In reality the report will just be a critique of the NIST report. The report will never be submitted to the journal of structural engineering as an actual rebuttal to the NIST report, however. In fact, they will likely never submit it to a serious and reputable refereed engineering journal, though they may find some vanity journal willing to publish it. They may or may not make the model data public, but, if they do, no one will care enough to even buy the software to evaluate it because it will be obvious that their entire premise is flawed. I highly doubt that the research assistants will let their names be attached to the final report.

Another reasonably plausible scenario is that they fail to publish anything. Time is already against them in August. Seems odd to wait until right before the holiday weekend to publish.

It'd be fun to be a fly on the wall as the geniuses at AE911Truth planned out this folly, in any event. Wonder if any serious people at UAF have gotten wind yet re how Hulsey has essentially wasted two years of his students' development on a vanity paper for a conspiracy theorist group...

 

[JSanderO]

If the Hulsey work demonstrates flaws in another study it doesn't necessarily undermine the report. It would depend on what the flaw is. After all the NIST work was not an attempt to explain exactly what happened, but more a report of what could have and likely did. Without moment to moment data about what was going on inside those buildings... ANY analysis involves assumptions. There are many possibilities and paths the unwinding of a structure can take in a complex system.

There are no proofs.

 

[Dave Rogers]

If the Hulsey work demonstrates flaws in another study it doesn't necessarily undermine the report.

I think that's the overwhelmingly likely outcome; Hulsey will turn up some fairly unimportant detail which the NIST report fails to explain to some unrealistic degree of accuracy, then deny the antecedent and claim that this disproves any possibility of the collapse not having involved explosives. The faithful will witter on about this for a while, completely fail to understand the fallacy involved, and eventually wander off with their beliefs bolstered by their faulty grasp of logic, after which the world will carry on unaffected.

Dave

 

[LSSBB]

I think that's the overwhelmingly likely outcome; Hulsey will turn up some fairly unimportant detail which the NIST report fails to explain to some unrealistic degree of accuracy, then deny the antecedent and claim that this disproves any possibility of the collapse not having involved explosives. The faithful will witter on about this for a while, completely fail to understand the fallacy involved, and eventually wander off with their beliefs bolstered by their faulty grasp of logic, after which the world will carry on unaffected.

Dave

It only takes an inch, and the building won't collapse. Ask Tony.

 

[Mark F]

Wait a generation and then there'll be a huge resurgence like JFK and the lunatic idea that H.H. Holmes was Jack the Ripper.

Depends on how much money there is to be made.

 

[Dave Rogers]

It only takes an inch, and the building won't collapse. Ask Tony.

Yes, I was thinking of Tony when I wrote that.

Dave

 

[MileHighMadness]

Yes, I was thinking of Tony when I wrote that.

Dave

Tony...god bless him...a true blue believer!