The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

Redtail said:
That evidence has already been provided.
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Actually, no, it hasn't. Not even a single shred. The 9/11 Commission report does not constitute evidence of much. All it constitutes is what the government claims to have happened on 9/11, and since the government is a primary suspect in our little investigation here, it represents a massive conflict of interests. It's about as credible as a Mafia investigating its own role in a jewelry heist.

Another one of you said I should read a book. Another one of you said I should read a transcript from a trial in one of our government's kangaroo courts. This isn't real evidence. It doesn't represent an independent, thorough forensics or criminal investigation. It's a mockery is what it is. It's window dressing.

You'll have to do better than that.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
To discuss 9/11. To do that, we're first going to have to recognize a few things, but that's mainly an issue with you guys and your steadfast refusal to acknowledge your belief in a largely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.

We're getting there, though. Patience, my friend, patience.
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The bolded part is a lie.

You're here to prove how wrong we are, and how right you are.

That's never going to happen, because it's a fantasy.

If you honestly want to discuss, then put forth a complete narrative that explains everything better than what the common narrative states:

19 terrorists + 4 aircraft = 9/11.

Do better than that, or crawl back under the rock you came from.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
To discuss 9/11. To do that, we're first going to have to recognize a few things, but that's mainly an issue with you guys and your steadfast refusal to acknowledge your belief in a largely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.[highlight][citation needed][/highlight]

We're getting there, though. Patience, my friend, patience.
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Don't hold your breath, my friend.
 
uke2se said:
Who should perform the independent investigation?
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Now that's a good question. This represents a serious conundrum, doesn't it?

Tossing the whole 9/11 debate aside for a moment, what happens in a modern, supposedly democratic, sovereign society if and when the State commits a massive crime against the people it pretends to represent? Who has the power, resources, and authority to investigate such a crime other than the State itself, which maintains a total monopoly on the both the legal and justice systems?

Well, we don't have to imagine this scenario because this is the reality. This is the reality of America post-9/11.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Now that's a good question. This represents a serious conundrum, doesn't it?

Tossing the whole 9/11 debate aside for a moment, what happens in a modern, supposedly democratic, sovereign society if and when the State commits a massive crime against the people it pretends to represent? Who has the power, resources, and authority to investigate such a crime other than the State itself, which maintains a total monopoly on the both the legal and justice systems?

Well, we don't have to imagine this scenario because this is the reality. This is the reality of America post-9/11.
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Doesn't sound like you need an investigation since you're already concluding that the US Government did it. So why don't you tell us what you think happened.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Now that's a good question. This represents a serious conundrum, doesn't it?

Tossing the whole 9/11 debate aside for a moment, what happens in a modern, supposedly democratic, sovereign society if and when the State commits a massive crime against the people it pretends to represent? Who has the power, resources, and authority to investigate such a crime other than the State itself, which maintains a total monopoly on the both the legal and justice systems?

Well, we don't have to imagine this scenario because this is the reality. This is the reality of America post-9/11.
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I don't see you even attempting an answer to the question here. Do you feel we should take your wish of an independent investigation seriously even though you won't even tell us who should perform it?

Hint: An answer to a question doesn't end with '?'.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Now that's a good question. This represents a serious conundrum, doesn't it?

Tossing the whole 9/11 debate aside for a moment, what happens in a modern, supposedly democratic, sovereign society if and when the State commits a massive crime against the people it pretends to represent? Who has the power, resources, and authority to investigate such a crime other than the State itself, which maintains a total monopoly on the both the legal and justice systems?

Well, we don't have to imagine this scenario because this is the reality. This is the reality of America post-9/11.
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So, why don't you ("truthers") do an investigation? Let us know when you find some evidence?

I can't wait for you to tell me you have been.

:rolleyes:
 
Craig4 said:
Doesn't sound like you need an investigation since you're already concluding that the US Government did it. So why don't you tell us what you think happened.
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I've already stated that I don't know what happened. I believe the stuff we all saw on TV and in real life obviously happened (planes hijacked, flown into buildings, etc...), but I don't know who planned it all, who approved it, how it was funded, who the operatives were really representing, who they thought they were representing, if operatives might have been duped just as we were, what was the true goal, and many other factors. There's not enough evidence to conclude either way.

I suspect it was an inside job involving our own government and likely others.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
I've already stated that I don't know what happened. I believe the stuff we all saw on TV and in real life obviously happened (planes hijacked, flown into buildings, etc...), but I don't know who planned it all, who approved it, how it was funded, who the operatives were really representing, who they thought they were representing, if operatives might have been duped just as we were, what was the true goal, and many other factors. There's not enough evidence to conclude either way.

I suspect it was an inside job involving our own government and likely others.
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Wait... you don't know?

So, when you said this...

Tossing the whole 9/11 debate aside for a moment, what happens in a modern, supposedly democratic, sovereign society if and when the State commits a massive crime against the people it pretends to represent? Who has the power, resources, and authority to investigate such a crime other than the State itself, which maintains a total monopoly on the both the legal and justice systems?

Well, we don't have to imagine this scenario because this is the reality. This is the reality of America post-9/11.
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(my bold)

... you were lying?
 
uke2se said:
I don't see you even attempting an answer to the question here. Do you feel we should take your wish of an independent investigation seriously even though you won't even tell us who should perform it?

Hint: An answer to a question doesn't end with '?'.
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I don't attempt to answer the question because frankly I don't know how. Even if We the People tried to create our own investigation using our own resources, the State could interdict and declare anyone involved a "domestic terrorist". The State - our State - has the power to disappear nearly anyone now without due process. The FBI could infiltrate and disrupt. False charges could be trumped up. A foreign war could be started to distract attention. A false flag attack could be carried out. The government could stonewall at every turn. The list goes on and on...

Our government has enormous financial and coercive resources at its disposal.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
I don't attempt to answer the question because frankly I don't know how. Even if We the People tried to create our own investigation using our own resources, the State could interdict and declare anyone involved a "domestic terrorist". The State - our State - has the power to disappear nearly anyone now without due process. The FBI could infiltrate and disrupt. False charges could be trumped up. A foreign war could be started to distract attention. A false flag attack could be carried out. The government could stonewall at every turn. The list goes on and on...

Our government has enormous financial and coercive resources at its disposal.
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So, according to you, what you're asking for is impossible?
 
SpringHallConvert said:
I don't attempt to answer the question because frankly I don't know how. Even if We the People tried to create our own investigation using our own resources, the State could interdict and declare anyone involved a "domestic terrorist". The State - our State - has the power to disappear nearly anyone now without due process. The FBI could infiltrate and disrupt. False charges could be trumped up. A foreign war could be started to distract attention. A false flag attack could be carried out. The government could stonewall at every turn. The list goes on and on...

Our government has enormous financial and coercive resources at its disposal.
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It's a good thing you weren't around in the 60's.

:rolleyes:
 
SpringHallConvert said:
I don't attempt to answer the question because frankly I don't know how. Even if We the People tried to create our own investigation using our own resources, the State could interdict and declare anyone involved a "domestic terrorist". The State - our State - has the power to disappear nearly anyone now without due process. The FBI could infiltrate and disrupt. False charges could be trumped up. A foreign war could be started to distract attention. A false flag attack could be carried out. The government could stonewall at every turn. The list goes on and on...

Our government has enormous financial and coercive resources at its disposal.
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Could does not equal has. Also, don't forget that although the U.S. government may have vast resources, it historically has not been effective at weilding them. Vietnam? Iraq? Bay of Pigs? Iran hostage crisis? It also has not been particularly good at hiding what it does. Prior to Wikileaks, back in the cold war, the KGB had its way with American intelligence operations, which up to and past 9/11 have been uncoordinated and somewhat incompetent. And it hasn't been to good at covering things up. Watergate, Monica Lewinsky, Valarie Plame, Pat Tillman, Iran-Contra.
 
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SpringHallConvert said:
Actually, no, it hasn't. Not even a single shred. The 9/11 Commission report does not constitute evidence of much. All it constitutes is what the government claims to have happened on 9/11, and since the government is a primary suspect in our little investigation here, it represents a massive conflict of interests. It's about as credible as a Mafia investigating its own role in a jewelry heist.

Another one of you said I should read a book. Another one of you said I should read a transcript from a trial in one of our government's kangaroo courts. This isn't real evidence. It doesn't represent an independent, thorough forensics or criminal investigation. It's a mockery is what it is. It's window dressing.

You'll have to do better than that.
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You'll have to stop denying evidence that is contrary to your position simply because it is contrary to your position, stop your childish ideological diatribes, stop shifting the burden of proof, and start offering up some evidence to support your position.

You impress no one--you're the one who has to do better
 
SpringHallConvert said:
The 9/11 Commission report does not constitute evidence of much. All it constitutes is what the government claims to have happened on 9/11, and since the government is a primary suspect in our little investigation here, it represents a massive conflict of interests. It's about as credible as a Mafia investigating its own role in a jewelry heist. .
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Yet you claimed the 911 Commissioners didnt have to be lying :rolleyes:

Im still waiting for you to give us a single fact about the world that you believe is "certain". Then I can dismiss it easily with the same logic you use here.
 
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