The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[uke2se]

I see we have a new Troll for Twoof on the forum. Guess that's about all the twoofers can muster these days.

 

[A W Smith]

So? You are still not making any point. The sun came out that day too. Was that any different than the day before? Would it have been any other way? Convenient, relative to what?

EtA: what do you mean by controlled media? Controlled by whom? How? Do you have proof of that? Lot of Assuming in your theory.

He means any media that does not agree with his distorted fallacious world view. Media HE cannot control.

 

[NoahFence]

I see we have a new Troll for Twoof on the forum. Guess that's about all the twoofers can muster these days.

"New" meaning a year and a half old....

Just remembered his password apparently.

 

[dc1971]

If you are serious, start with Lawrence Wright's The Looming Tower, and then give the 9/11 Commission Report and the transcript from the Moussaui trial a read.

He's not serious. He won't read. It takes time. He feels he should have more time trolling internet forums than doing some actual research.

 

[A W Smith]

"New" meaning a year and a half old....

Just remembered his password apparently.

 

[A W Smith]

He's not serious. He won't read. It takes time. He feels he should have more time trolling internet forums than doing some actual research.

we can shove it in his face
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/037541486X/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

 

[carlitos]

He's not serious. He won't read. It takes time. He feels he should have more time trolling internet forums than doing some actual research.

It's too bad. There was a made-for-TV movie that had most of the key points in it, but not sure it ever made it to DVD or whether it's available to rent in Manchester.

 

[arielflight]

How was that day different from any other? Please be specific.

1.The hijack coordinator was absent from his job,"However, the hijack coordinator, FAA Office of Civil Aviation Security Director Mike Canavan, is in Puerto Rico and claims to have missed out on “everything that transpired that day.” The 9/11 Commission fails to ask him if he had delegated that task to anyone else while he was gone.h historycommons.org

2.Circumstances where flights were both not transponding AND out of radio contact, extremely rare. cite The Ground Truth pg 111 paragraph3

3. War games, false radar blips

4.Atta and Omari arrived early the next morning, at 5:40 a.m., at the Portland International Jetport, where they left their rental car in the parking lot and boarded a 6:00 a.m. Colgan Air (US Airways Express) BE-1900C flight to Boston's Logan International Airport.[80] In Portland, Mohamed Atta was selected by the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS), which required his checked bags to undergo extra screening for explosives but involved no extra screening at the passenger security checkpoint.[81]
The connection between the two flights at Logan International Airport was within Terminal B, but the two gates were not connected within security. One must leave the secured area, go outdoors, cross a covered roadway, and enter another building before going through security once again. There are two separate concourses in Terminal B; the south concourse is mainly used by US Airways and the north one is mostly used by American Airlines. It had been overlooked that there would still be a security screen to pass in Boston because of this distinct detail of the terminal's arrangement. At 6:45 a.m., while at the Boston airport, Atta took a call from Marwan al-Shehhi, another hijacker. This call was apparently to confirm that the attacks were ready to begin. Atta checked in for American Airlines Flight 11, passed through security again, and boarded the flight. Atta was seated in business class, in seat 8D. At 7:59 a.m., the plane departed from Boston, carrying 81 passengers.[80]

5..AN HOUR INTO HIS SHIFT 7AM, MST 9AM EST something unscripted happens. NORAD's Northeast Air Defence Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, N.Y., contacts the mountain.
The Federal Aviation Administration has EVIDENCE of a hijacking and is asking for NORAD support. TOWER 1 HAD ALREADY BEEN HIT AT 8:46 . This is not part of the exercise.In a flash, Operation Northern Vigilance is called off. Any simulated information, what's known as an "inject," is purged from the screens".
.911readingroom

6. The Ground Truth by James Farmer:"pg2 p1 reports by Inspector General of Dept of Defense and Transportation ignored critical evidence in concluding that government officials did not knowingly mislead the public.

pg 2 p2 commission report accurate and true

pg2 pg 3 Government and military officials had told Congress, the Commission, the media, and the public about who knew what when was almost entirely and inexplicitly, UNTRUE

pg 3 p1 Sept 1 2006 Friday afternoon before Labor Day. the Dept of of Transportation Inspector General. The releases of both reports were timed , in , short to attract as little notice as possible .

pg3 p1 The events of the day as entered by NEADS, National Military Command Center logs, were both mistakable and unmistakably different from what officials had claimed.

pg 4 p1 At some level of government, at some point in time , there was a decision not to tell the truth about what happened."

 

[uke2se]

1.The hijack coordinator was absent from his job,"However, the hijack coordinator, FAA Office of Civil Aviation Security Director Mike Canavan, is in Puerto Rico and claims to have missed out on “everything that transpired that day.” The 9/11 Commission fails to ask him if he had delegated that task to anyone else while he was gone.h historycommons.org

2.Circumstances where flights were both not transponding AND out of radio contact, extremely rare. cite The Ground Truth pg 111 paragraph3

3. War games, false radar blips

4.Atta and Omari arrived early the next morning, at 5:40 a.m., at the Portland International Jetport, where they left their rental car in the parking lot and boarded a 6:00 a.m. Colgan Air (US Airways Express) BE-1900C flight to Boston's Logan International Airport.[80] In Portland, Mohamed Atta was selected by the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS), which required his checked bags to undergo extra screening for explosives but involved no extra screening at the passenger security checkpoint.[81]
The connection between the two flights at Logan International Airport was within Terminal B, but the two gates were not connected within security. One must leave the secured area, go outdoors, cross a covered roadway, and enter another building before going through security once again. There are two separate concourses in Terminal B; the south concourse is mainly used by US Airways and the north one is mostly used by American Airlines. It had been overlooked that there would still be a security screen to pass in Boston because of this distinct detail of the terminal's arrangement. At 6:45 a.m., while at the Boston airport, Atta took a call from Marwan al-Shehhi, another hijacker. This call was apparently to confirm that the attacks were ready to begin. Atta checked in for American Airlines Flight 11, passed through security again, and boarded the flight. Atta was seated in business class, in seat 8D. At 7:59 a.m., the plane departed from Boston, carrying 81 passengers.[80]

5..AN HOUR INTO HIS SHIFT 7AM, MST 9AM EST something unscripted happens. NORAD's Northeast Air Defence Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, N.Y., contacts the mountain.
The Federal Aviation Administration has EVIDENCE of a hijacking and is asking for NORAD support. TOWER 1 HAD ALREADY BEEN HIT AT 8:46 . This is not part of the exercise.In a flash, Operation Northern Vigilance is called off. Any simulated information, what's known as an "inject," is purged from the screens".
.911readingroom

6. The Ground Truth by James Farmer:"pg2 p1 reports by Inspector General of Dept of Defense and Transportation ignored critical evidence in concluding that government officials did not knowingly mislead the public.

pg 2 p2 commission report accurate and true

pg2 pg 3 Government and military officials had told Congress, the Commission, the media, and the public about who knew what when was almost entirely and inexplicitly, UNTRUE

pg 3 p1 Sept 1 2006 Friday afternoon before Labor Day. the Dept of of Transportation Inspector General. The releases of both reports were timed , in , short to attract as little notice as possible .

pg3 p1 The events of the day as entered by NEADS, National Military Command Center logs, were both mistakable and unmistakably different from what officials had claimed.

pg 4 p1 At some level of government, at some point in time , there was a decision not to tell the truth about what happened."

I see a lot of assertions but precious little evidence.

 

[DGM]

1.The hijack coordinator was absent from his job........................................[snipped]

Would you mind giving me the source link for the copy and paste? I hate having to track down sources.

You can PM it to me if you want. I'll post it for you (I see you don't have enough post yet to post links.

I'm going to tell you straight out though, nothing you've posted is very impressive (and most is straight out wrong)

 

[carlitos]

Would you mind giving me the source link for the copy and paste? I hate having to track down sources.

You can PM it to me if you want. I'll post it for you (I see you don't have enough post yet to post links.

I'm going to tell you straight out though, nothing you've posted is very impressive (and most is straight out wrong)

The paragraph with the #'s in it is copied from wikipedia. He lists sources (without links) for the other stuff. historycommons, John Farmer's book, "911readingroom" etc.

 

[DGM]

The paragraph with the #'s in it is copied from wikipedia. He lists sources (without links) for the other stuff. historycommons, John Farmer's book, "911readingroom" etc.

Just once I wish they would present an argument in a logical manner.

I suppose if they did they wouldn't be "truthers". I wonder how much of this he actually has any knowledge of.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

I find it fascinating that so many people seem to think that it would be so simple - almost automatic - to scramble armed fighters to shoot down American civilian airliners, full of civilians and possibly (to the knowledge of the AF/ANG) hijackers, on a chaotic day, when an hour before the threat level was not elevated. They seem to equate them with Bears inbound over the pole or something.

Fortunately such people aren't generally in charge of making life-and-death decisions - usually something more like what toppings to ask Mom to get on the pizza.

Yeah, I'm sure it's real complicated stuff. I'm sure military brass never imagined, planned, or drilled for such a scenario prior to September 11, 2001...

Ha, ha, ha... you government truthers will conjure up just about any excuse you can think of to deflect blame away from your beloved criminal government.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

yep, look like the burden of proof still lies with you, chump.

Nope. The burden of proof is all yours. You're the one who religiously believes that a ragtag group of cavemen-terrorists outfoxed the U.S. government, the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA all by themselves.

When will you provide proof for this fantastic story?

 

[twinstead]

Nope. The burden of proof is all yours. You're the one who religiously believes that a ragtag group of cavemen-terrorists outfoxed the U.S. government, the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA all by themselves.

When will you provide proof for this fantastic story?

Oh, and toss in a bit of racism while you're at it.

The evidence that supports the commonly-held narrative is both extensive and available for the whole world to scrutinize. You don't get to claim it doesn't exist in order to shift the burden of proof, whether you like it or not.

 

[pgimeno]

• That DC was without Combat Air Patrol for over an hour after the beginning of the attacks. (Where do you place the beginning of the attacks? For most, the first sign that something really bad was going on was the first crash at 8:46. AA77 crashed into Pentagon at 9:37. That's less than an hour. So why is the more than an hour relevant to anything?)

For basically everyone, they realized it was an organized attack after the SECOND plane hit. That's 9:03am, 34 minutes before the AA77 crash.

Until he makes that claim, and makes it specific, there is nothing to be disproven. So the only useful thing you can do is ask SpringHallConvert if he has a positive claim, a positive assertion, a positive proposition to debate!

I did, he ignored me. For what I can see he's just trolling. He's a no-claimer, a typical kind of troll around here, one who avoids to make claims so that later he can say "I didn't claim that".

I see we have a new Troll for Twoof on the forum. Guess that's about all the twoofers can muster these days.

Pathetic, isn't it?

I tried to see if he had something to say apart from trolling. The answer is no.

 

[pgimeno]

arielflight,

You were asked how was that day different to any other day. Your response included:

2.Circumstances where flights were both not transponding AND out of radio contact, extremely rare. cite The Ground Truth pg 111 paragraph3

Sure thing. That's because the hijackers disabled the transponder AND did not respond to radio calls. Obviously an extremely rare circumstance which favors the interpretation that the FAA and the military faced unusual circumstances.

4.Atta and Omari arrived early the next morning, at 5:40 a.m., at the Portland International Jetport, where they left their rental car in the parking lot and boarded a 6:00 a.m. Colgan Air (US Airways Express) BE-1900C flight to Boston's Logan International Airport.[80] In Portland, Mohamed Atta was selected by the Computer Assisted Passenger Prescreening System (CAPPS), which required his checked bags to undergo extra screening for explosives but involved no extra screening at the passenger security checkpoint.[81]
The connection between the two flights at Logan International Airport was within Terminal B, but the two gates were not connected within security. One must leave the secured area, go outdoors, cross a covered roadway, and enter another building before going through security once again. There are two separate concourses in Terminal B; the south concourse is mainly used by US Airways and the north one is mostly used by American Airlines. It had been overlooked that there would still be a security screen to pass in Boston because of this distinct detail of the terminal's arrangement. At 6:45 a.m., while at the Boston airport, Atta took a call from Marwan al-Shehhi, another hijacker. This call was apparently to confirm that the attacks were ready to begin. Atta checked in for American Airlines Flight 11, passed through security again, and boarded the flight. Atta was seated in business class, in seat 8D. At 7:59 a.m., the plane departed from Boston, carrying 81 passengers.[80]

That sounds quite confusing. Are you suggesting that some personnel at the airport was in on it?

3. War games, false radar blips

5..AN HOUR INTO HIS SHIFT 7AM, MST 9AM EST something unscripted happens. NORAD's Northeast Air Defence Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, N.Y., contacts the mountain.
The Federal Aviation Administration has EVIDENCE of a hijacking and is asking for NORAD support. TOWER 1 HAD ALREADY BEEN HIT AT 8:46 . This is not part of the exercise.In a flash, Operation Northern Vigilance is called off. Any simulated information, what's known as an "inject," is purged from the screens".
.911readingroom

First, 5 contradicts 3. Second, exercises happen quite often and there was nothing unusual about them. Third, there are zero reports of confusion because of false radar blips, therefore 3 is moot.

6. The Ground Truth by James Farmer:"pg2 p1 reports by Inspector General of Dept of Defense and Transportation ignored critical evidence in concluding that government officials did not knowingly mislead the public.

pg 2 p2 commission report accurate and true

pg2 pg 3 Government and military officials had told Congress, the Commission, the media, and the public about who knew what when was almost entirely and inexplicitly, UNTRUE

pg 3 p1 Sept 1 2006 Friday afternoon before Labor Day. the Dept of of Transportation Inspector General. The releases of both reports were timed , in , short to attract as little notice as possible .

pg3 p1 The events of the day as entered by NEADS, National Military Command Center logs, were both mistakable and unmistakably different from what officials had claimed.

pg 4 p1 At some level of government, at some point in time , there was a decision not to tell the truth about what happened."

What connection does that have with something making the response on 9/11 different to the response of any other day, which was what DGM was asking?

 

[NoahFence]

Nope. The burden of proof is all yours. You're the one who religiously believes that a ragtag group of cavemen-terrorists outfoxed the U.S. government, the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA all by themselves.

When will you provide proof for this fantastic story?

Why are you here?

 

[332nd]

Nope. The burden of proof is all yours. You're the one who religiously believes that a ragtag group of cavemen-terrorists outfoxed the U.S. government, the CIA, the FBI, and the NSA all by themselves.

When will you provide proof for this fantastic story?

That evidence has already been provided.

Where is your proof that they had help from the USG?

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Why are you here?

To discuss 9/11. To do that, we're first going to have to recognize a few things, but that's mainly an issue with you guys and your steadfast refusal to acknowledge your belief in a largely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.

We're getting there, though. Patience, my friend, patience.