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The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job
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They, the FDNY firefighters.
Its not possible because then we would see some evidence THAT (what you suggested) is the reason why they thought it was going to collapse when they talk about WTC7.
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NoahFence
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No.
You're the one with the questions. You find the answers.
They're in those documents.
And....
Go.
DGM
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Are you too lazy to actually research this subject? Let me guess, you consider yourself "informed".
LSSBB
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You'll find evidence proving Al Qaeda was working on it. Since there is no proof that the U.S. collaborated with Al Qaeda, that conclusion cannot be reasonably made.
ETA: no proof that is that the U.S. collaborated with Al Qaeda regarding the 9/11 attacks. They may have worked with proto-al Qaeda factions during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, IIRC.
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NoahFence
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Correct.
The fact that no evidence was found, and not a single soul found anything unusual in the weeks / months leading up to 9/11 is what proves it wasn't rigged for implosion.
You people act as if it was the easiest thing in the world to do.
WTC 7 was TWICE THE SIZE of the world record.
TWICE.
And it was populated 24/7 in the biggest city in the world.
THAT is what makes it impossible.
No. There is literally a mountain of evidence implicating Al Qaeda. There is no evidence that the US government had anything to do with the attacks of 9/11. You're still asking to prove a negative. If you have evidence implicating some factions of the US government, feel free to present it here. The burden of proof is all yours.
Similarly, I have no "official statement" that the world is round, or that the US government didn't kill Whitney Houston.
BasqueArch
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You can check out wiki "al-qaeda" for example
It was easy to find. You can check out the hundreds of links. It's all integrated. alQaeda acted alone without US complicity.
Not that it's going to matter. You like to believe your conspiracy even when there is no evidence for it.
Some financing for al-Qaeda in the 1990s came from the personal wealth of Osama bin Laden.[51] By 2001 Afghanistan had become politically complex and mired. With many financial sources for al-Qaeda Bin Laden's financing role may have become comparatively minor. Sources in 2001 could also have included Jamaa Al-Islamiyya and Islamic Jihad, both associated with Afghan-based Egyptians.[52] Other sources of income in 2001 included the heroin trade and donations from supporters in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries.[51] A WikiLeaks released memo from the United States Secretary of State sent in 2009 asserted that the primary source of funding of Sunni terrorist groups worldwide was Saudi Arabia.[53]
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According to Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with bin Laden in 1997, the idea that "the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ...[is] a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him."[272] But as Bergen himself admitted, in one "strange incident" the CIA did appear to give visa help to mujahideen-recruiter Omar Abdel-Rahman.[273]
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September 11 attacks
Main article: September 11 attacks
See also: Responsibility for the September 11 attacks
Aftermath of the September 11 attacks
The September 11, 2001 attacks were the most devastating terrorist acts in American history, killing approximately 3,000 people. Two commercial airliners were deliberately flown into the World Trade Center towers, a third into The Pentagon, and a fourth, originally intended to target the United States Capitol, crashed in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
The attacks were conducted by al-Qaeda, acting in accord with the 1998 fatwa issued against the U.S. and its allies by military forces under the command of bin Laden, al-Zawahiri, and others.[176] Evidence points to suicide squads led by al-Qaeda military commander Mohamed Atta as the culprits of the attacks, with bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, and Hambali as the key planners and part of the political and military command.
Messages issued by bin Laden after September 11, 2001 praised the attacks, and explained their motivation while denying any involvement.[177] Bin Laden legitimized the attacks by identifying grievances felt by both mainstream and Islamist Muslims, such as the general perception that the U.S. was actively oppressing Muslims.[178]
Bin Laden asserted that America was massacring Muslims in 'Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir and Iraq' and that Muslims should retain the 'right to attack in reprisal'. He also claimed the 9/11 attacks were not targeted at women and children, but 'America's icons of military and economic power'.[179]
Evidence has since come to light that the original targets for the attack may have been nuclear power stations on the east coast of the U.S. The targets were later altered by al-Qaeda, as it was feared that such an attack "might get out of hand".[180][181]
DGM
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I think he meant, "Is there a YouTube video I can watch"?
LSSBB
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Thanks, BA. "Omar Abdel-Rahman" was the dude I was thinking of that may have been contacted by the CIA, back in the day.
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The common claim is rather simpler. AQ dunnit. Period. There is ample evidence that implicates OBL, Atta, KSM, Bin-al-Ship, etc. If you want to ADD an entity to that theory, namely "the government is complicit", the burden of proof is on you. We are aware of no evidence that supports such a claim. Where is it? Don't reverse the burden of proof by demanding that someone prove an arbitrary negative.
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I predicted this:
This is what happened:
Hust questions, double negatives, unsupported speculative innuendo, and a continued insistence on reversal of burden of proof.
However:
Not a single specific claim
Not a single piece of specific evidence towards a specific claim
My prediction is fully verifies.
Useless to debate with someone who has no proposals to add to the debate and no facts. He thinks he tals smart. I can see through that. It ain't smart. It looks dumb.
This is what happened:
Hust questions, double negatives, unsupported speculative innuendo, and a continued insistence on reversal of burden of proof.
However:
Not a single specific claim
Not a single piece of specific evidence towards a specific claim
My prediction is fully verifies.
Useless to debate with someone who has no proposals to add to the debate and no facts. He thinks he tals smart. I can see through that. It ain't smart. It looks dumb.
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DGM
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Well done. An actual, semi-plausible theory. Of course, it doesn't explain why the explosives were there in the first place if they were set to imitate a random debris fire, or how they were planted secretly in one of the most trafficked buildings in New York, in a building larger than any ever demoed, in an experimental manner that didn't involve knocking down bombs like standard demos. Or why the, y'know, explosions specifically characteristic to explosives were not noted. Or what sort of incendiary devices and wiring can cut through steel after being exposed to hours of fire. Or why, if they were used to set the fires, none of the firefighters noticed anything, nor the fire science engineers who studied the collapse since.
Oh, and the fact that the FDNY specifically said they thought the place was coming down, even on 9/11. Unless they were complicit in the murders of 300+ firemen.
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Oystein
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If only he claimed anything at all. He doesn't.
BasqueArch
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What, he didn't make a claim? It's worse than I thought.
ok
What is not claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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Wonder why he's not into deep politics anymore?
The hijackers, with degrees in in mechanical engineering from North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University and urban planning believed they would be successful, without knowing the total incompetence of the U.S.A Military, NSA, CIA, FAA for that 1 day, is why they succeeded ..... Or they did know?