The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[beachnut]

the muslim hijackers cannot all be mad, because 6 of them have now got good jobs in saudi.

How did you come up with this insane claim? Are you starting a new religion, based on 6 Saudi Terrroirsts who rise from the dead? What do you call your new religion?


As we wait for the official title of your new religion...


What is this web site trying to say?
http://www.911babystep.com/ ... many follow on web pages. Think the author might be in WAC. Is this a 911 truth follower, or what?

 

[silver birch]

Not conspiracy 'theory', conspiracy fact,
Mike Rupert outlines the evidence 9/11 was an inside job

www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ewpr_cospiracy-fact-9-11-was-inside_news?ralg=meta2-onl

 

[dc1971]

Not conspiracy 'theory', conspiracy fact,
Mike Rupert outlines the evidence 9/11 was an inside job

www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ewpr_cospiracy-fact-9-11-was-inside_news?ralg=meta2-onl

Uploaded on 10-03-2007!

 

[Oystein]

Not conspiracy 'theory', conspiracy fact,
Mike Rupert outlines the evidence 9/11 was an inside job

www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ewpr_cospiracy-fact-9-11-was-inside_news?ralg=meta2-onl

Time to first lie: just over a minute.
The NORAD NEADS wasn't stripped of available assets to respond to an emergency. All alarm sites in the NEADS were staffed with the required fighters and pilots, and these assets were in fact scrambled.
No other assets were required to be on alert, ready to take off in less than an hour.

Silver Birch, you should really come here and ask questions, because you are signficantly uninformed and seriously misinformed about pretty much everything relating to 9/11. You write as if you have no doubts about the veracity of the many things you present here as facts, but they pretty much all turn out to be plain false or simply irrelevant. This should get yout to thinking and doubting at some point if your research so far has been any good!

 

[Travis]

Actually I believe NEADS had more staff than usual on that day.

 

[Justin39640]

could a lunatic armed with a very short bladed knife, (the official story, not a gun) break through a locked door and murder someone in under 2 or 3 seconds. because that is the time some pilots have said it would take them to set the squawk to 7500?
how many able bodied grown men do you think would be on an average 767 flight? you tell me.
could a lunatic armed with a short bladed knife even succeed in breaking through a locked door with these men throwing luggage from the overhead rack?
is it not possible one of the men would have the chance to grab his wrist and prevent him using the knife?

They used leatherman utility knives with 3 1/2 inch locking blades. More than enough for someone who was trained to use knives.

 

[silver birch]

Time to first lie: just over a minute.
The NORAD NEADS wasn't stripped of available assets to respond to an emergency. All alarm sites in the NEADS were staffed with the required fighters and pilots, and these assets were in fact scrambled.
No other assets were required to be on alert, ready to take off in less than an hour.

Silver Birch, you should really come here and ask questions, because you are signficantly uninformed and seriously misinformed about pretty much everything relating to 9/11. You write as if you have no doubts about the veracity of the many things you present here as facts, but they pretty much all turn out to be plain false or simply irrelevant. This should get yout to thinking and doubting at some point if your research so far has been any good!

OK, I would like somebody to answer 2 questions-
1, What was the height of the rubble at ground zero immediately after the towers collapsed?
2, as the pile of rubble was very much lower than the original height of the quarter mille high towers, what turned the remainder to dust? even steel dust, and does the NIST explanation of a simple pancake collapse really provide the answer?

 

[BaaBaa]

That's not a moon...

 

[Oystein]

Time to first lie: just over a minute.
The NORAD NEADS wasn't stripped of available assets to respond to an emergency. All alarm sites in the NEADS were staffed with the required fighters and pilots, and these assets were in fact scrambled.
No other assets were required to be on alert, ready to take off in less than an hour.

Silver Birch, you should really come here and ask questions, because you are signficantly uninformed and seriously misinformed about pretty much everything relating to 9/11. You write as if you have no doubts about the veracity of the many things you present here as facts, but they pretty much all turn out to be plain false or simply irrelevant. This should get yout to thinking and doubting at some point if your research so far has been any good!

OK, I would like somebody to answer 2 questions-
1, What was the height of the rubble at ground zero immediately after the towers collapsed?
2, as the pile of rubble was very much lower than the original height of the quarter mille high towers, what turned the remainder to dust? even steel dust, and does the NIST explanation of a simple pancake collapse really provide the answer?

How did you move the goal post from air defence preparedness to pile of crumbled buildings so fast?!?

Did you notice that I was talking about something entirely different in the post that you quoted?

I interprete this as your concession that Mike Ruppert indeed lied about the air defense preparedness in the north-east defense sector (NEADS).
Thanks for confirming through silence that your source lied.

 

[DGM]

2, as the pile of rubble was very much lower than the original height of the quarter mille high towers, what turned the remainder to dust? even steel dust, and does the NIST explanation of a simple pancake collapse really provide the answer?

Space beams?

What do you think about the theory that this was perpetrated by Red Lectroids from Planet 10?

 

[Travis]

OK, I would like somebody to answer 2 questions-
1, What was the height of the rubble at ground zero immediately after the towers collapsed?
2, as the pile of rubble was very much lower than the original height of the quarter mille high towers, what turned the remainder to dust? even steel dust, and does the NIST explanation of a simple pancake collapse really provide the answer?

Is this serious?

The rubble pile was anywhere from 7 to 13 stories tall. And that makes perfect sense without the need for for some magical dust maker.

Oh and there wasn't an unusual amount of dust either.

 

[GlennB]

OK, I would like somebody to answer 2 questions-
1, What was the height of the rubble at ground zero immediately after the towers collapsed?
2, as the pile of rubble was very much lower than the original height of the quarter mille high towers, what turned the remainder to dust? even steel dust, and does the NIST explanation of a simple pancake collapse really provide the answer?

Try re-reading that bolded part and working out - yourself - what's wrong with it.

 

[Oystein]

OK, I would like somebody to answer 2 questions-
1, What was the height of the rubble at ground zero immediately after the towers collapsed?
2, as the pile of rubble was very much lower than the original height of the quarter mille high towers, what turned the remainder to dust? even steel dust, and does the NIST explanation of a simple pancake collapse really provide the answer?

Each tower was 110 stories and 415 meters high above ground and had 6 or 7 (from memory) basement levels below ground, which I estimate to be 25 meters deep, giving the towers a total hight from lowest basement level of 440m.

The towers consisted of 95% air and 5% building materials (composite floors, steel columns, cladding...). Thus, if they collapse and are fully compacted (all air removed), they'd shrink to 440m * 5% = 22m. However, that is not realistic, there will always be air trapped, so let's allow for half of the debris pile to consist of air. Towers would shrink to 44m above lowest basement level, if they remained entirely within the 63m x 63m footprint.
25 of those 44m go into the basement level underground. Above ground, we have to account for only the remaining 19m worth of debris tower.

That debris above ground spreads out to the sides. Let's assume that it formed a pyramid with a base length that's three times the width of the tower, or a base area that is nine times the footprint area.

The volume of a pyramid can be calculated by the formula

V_pyr = 1/3 B_pyr*h_pyr where B is the base area and h the height.​

This volume would be equal to the volume of our 19m debris tower, whose Base are B_tower = 1/9 B_pyr and whose volume is

V_tower = B_tower * 19m = 1/9 B_pyr * 19m​

With

V_pyr = V_tower​

We get

1/3 B_pyr*h_pyr = 1/9 B_pyr * 19m | *3
<=> B_pyr*h_pyr = 1/3 B_pyr * 19m | / B_pyr
<=> h_pyr = 1/3 * 19m = 6.333 meters​

So in theory, we expect the debris pile to be only a little higher than an average man, because most of the towers is air, most of the debris goes into the basement, and the rest spills to the sides.

If anything is strange here it's the fact that the debris piles were higher than this expectation.

I guess it is because so little of them turned to dust.


ETA: I formatted in blue the assumptions that went into my calculation. Feel free to change or correct those assumptions if you don't like them.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

6.333 meters

So in theory, we expect the debris pile to be only a little higher than an average man, because most of the towers is air, most of the debris goes into the basement, and the rest spills to the sides.

Units issue?.....I know Nordics are tall but not that tall!

 

[Oystein]

Units issue?.....I know Nordics are tall but not that tall!

Oops

My calculation is all meters, so the mistake is only just the last step, comparison to man. I indeed compared my 6 feet zero to 6.333m

Still, 6 meters is less than 2 stories. And less than the actual piles.

 

[Travis]

I should point out that when I said 5-13 stories I was basing that off the bottom of the bathtub. So only 1-8 stories above street level.

 

[pgimeno]

OK, I would like somebody to answer 2 questions-
1, What was the height of the rubble at ground zero immediately after the towers collapsed?

You have been answered already, but here's a visual corroboration that turns out to be handy:

 

[Sabretooth]

OK, I would like somebody to answer 2 questions-
1, What was the height of the rubble at ground zero immediately after the towers collapsed?
2, as the pile of rubble was very much lower than the original height of the quarter mille high towers, what turned the remainder to dust? even steel dust, and does the NIST explanation of a simple pancake collapse really provide the answer?

Wow.

You just slid down the rail from DRG to Judy Woo?

I'm with Oystein on this one. I'm out. This one is too far gone.

 

[NoahFence]

So that's 8 stories, minimum. 6 Underground, 2 above. Spread over 16 acres. (ish)

That's quite a large pile of rubble.

Basically this guy thinks the towers should have collapsed but stayed the same height, eh?

 

[GlennB]

Basically this guy thinks the towers should have collapsed but stayed the same height, eh?

He seems to think that the loss of apparent volume (in fact caused by compaction and the expulsion of air) must have been caused by loss of material - steel, concrete etc.

But we shall see, if he responds.

(p.s. I'm sitting by a standard office bookshelf/cabinet thingy. About 6'x3'x1.5'. 27 cubic feet. If I dismantled and laid it down I doubt the volume would be even 10% of the original. Can silver birch - and many others of his ilk - not understand this simple concept?)