The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[Oystein]

I can only reply to this with a saying I came across years ago
b. s. baffles brains.

Ok.

Usually we expect people to reply with facts, logic and reason.
I hear you are saying that you cannot. You can only reply by quoting a condescending phrase.
I guess that says it all.

 

[twinstead]

yup, perhaps a terrorist wouldn't have bothered carrying a passport. Who knows? But it is not suspicious in the least that he WOULD be. Maybe he forgot to leave it at home?

 

[Oystein]

although, it does seem odd to me, that they left the 'how to fly an airliner guide' in the car at the airport.

Moving goal post again?

We first have to conclude the passport issue.


By the way, the man whose passport was found, Suqami, was one of the few (or only?) of the highkackers who did not have a US drivers license. Did you know that? You should. That fact was linked to and I also think mentioned in this thread a few days ago.

How would you identify yourself at the airport when you are a foreigner in the USA and travel internally and don't have a US ID card?

 

[Oystein]

I'm quite prepared to concede any points in a discussion on this forum, however, I fail to find anything incredulous about not believing a passport survived the fire that cremated the hijacker, fell to ground through the fireball and was handed in as evidence.

Man, do you even know what the word "incredulous" means? You just contradicted yourself in one sentence!

why not question the incredulity of the 84% of Americans who do not beleive the official story either?
(poll carried out by CNN and new york times)

And there you try to move goal posts again! Stop that! It makes you look more and more insecure!

 

[Oystein]

I think he may be getting confused with the flight manuals that were found in Marwan al-Shehhi's Florida hotel room? I'm not aware of any being recovered from vehicles.

Abdul Aziz al-Omari's passport was recovered from Mohammed Atta's luggage left behind at Logan airport. So presumably al-Omari was able to board without a passport.

Many of the hijackers had US drivers licenses. Suqami did not.

 

[Justin39640]

millions of people did not see the north tower hit live on tv, because it was not shown until the next day. why was there only that ONE video of the north tower hit if there were millions of people in new york, which would mean many cameras.
why are there witnesses who claim to have seen an explosion in the north tower and not a plane hit it, jennifer oberstein for one?
why was it necessary to plant fake witnesses who have been identified as actors- gary welz, and mark humphrey, who was interviewed on fox news. fox news, by the way, is owned by media mogul and zionist rupert murdoch, who was recently labelled on tv station channel 4, here in the UK, as beyond evil.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzPIde6Wj3w
HONESTLY

I argue that at least a million people saw it live in the metro NY area with their own eyes. Every skyscraper's windows facing the towers were packed with people watching the north tower burn. Everyone in Brooklyn were watching from the streets and rooftops. Queens and Staten Island as well. Let's not forget NJ is right across the Hudson (Jersey city is right there but you can get a good view from pretty far north and south). My friend watched it hit from the observation deck in Lincoln Center's office skyscraper along with what he estimated to be 150 to 200 others. I've met lots of people who saw the first impact as well.

FYI: on an average working day (just like 9/11/01), Manhattan Island has about 8 million people on it. That's just Manhattan....

 

[twinstead]

It is supremely obvious that silver birch has never been to New York

 

[Justin39640]

It is supremely obvious that silver birch has never been to New York

Indeed. I have the same suspicion about the majority of other truthers.

 

[triforcharity]

I think (personally, I have no fact or figures to say for certain) but I believe that 8mil is alot.

2 mil? Yeah, certainly.

 

[twinstead]

Anybody who has even been in a large city would think that faking two planes crashing into two of its largest buildings in front of its entire population is ludicrous.

 

[Oystein]

I think (personally, I have no fact or figures to say for certain) but I believe that 8mil is alot.

2 mil? Yeah, certainly.

Easy to find out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan

About 1.6 million people live in Manhattan (see Demographics), but another 1.3 million commute daily into Manhattan to swell population to 2.9 million (see Economy).
8 million is the population of NYC total (all five burroughs). The Metropolitan aea has 18 million.

When you estimate how many people have seen the second plane crash, you need to remember that UA175 came from the south, south-west (don't remember the exact direction) and that very likely many people looking at the towers from the north never saw the plane coming and are only witness to the fireball. I think spectators in Jersey City and Brooklyn had a much better chance of actually seeing the approaching plane than most people in Manhattan itself.

 

[Justin39640]

I think (personally, I have no fact or figures to say for certain) but I believe that 8mil is alot.

2 mil? Yeah, certainly.

I could have sworn I read somewhere it was 8 between commuters etc. Still there's a lot of eyeballs that had a good view of it. Many more than a few thousand for the second impact.

 

[Sabretooth]

why not question the incredulity of the 84% of Americans who do not beleive the official story either?
(poll carried out by CNN and new york times)

84% of Americans live in their Mom's basement?!

Who woulda thought

 

[Sabretooth]

however, I fail to find anything incredulous about not believing a passport survived the fire that cremated the hijacker, fell to ground through the fireball and was handed in as evidence.

There is a simple test that you...yes, you!...can try right in your backyard!

Build yourself a bonfire. Size isn't important, but make sure you got something significant.

Now, take some paper, ball it up, and throw it through the flames.

Try as many times as you like. Keep a tally of how many paper balls start on fire...then get back to us.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

(which david ray griffin has called a 571 page lie).

And why should we care what a theologian has to say to say on the subject? If you want to know about the various brands of sky spook, he's your man but when it comes to science and engineering its usual to go with people with relevant expertise.....like NIST, Purdue etc.

 

[Robrob]

You know, there are a thousand mundane reasons why a passport might survive unscathed. The truthers' ignoring them in deference to their fantasy speaks volumes.

Sharpshooter fallacy.

 

[silver birch]

how many pages have we spent discussing whether or not the passport could have survived?
a waste of time.
because the passport is a red herring, there is no evidence the hijackers were on the plane. there is no evidence the plane was hijacked.
there is more proof that the plane was not hijacked, from the fact that the hijack code, which pilots are trained to transmit to the ground control was not received from any of the 4 planes with a total of 8 pilots.
there would have been ample time as the door to the cockpit is kept locked in flight and it would only take a few seconds to turn 4 knobs on the squawk box.
pilots have been trained for years how to react in a hijack, and sending the squawk code would have been the first priority.
how stupid do you think pilots are?
the first thing isreali pilots are trained to do is put the plane in a steep dive and throw hijackers off balance.

 

[bynmdsue]

the first thing isreali pilots are trained to do is put the plane in a steep dive and throw hijackers off balance.

That's nice. How about British pilots? Or French ones? Japanese? Actually none of those matter because we're talking about American pilots. How are they trained?

 

[Oystein]

how many pages have we spent discussing whether or not the passport could have survived?
a waste of time.

Before you move goal posts again, you need to be more clear if you retract your claim that foreigners carrying a passport on an internal flight is suspicious, or not. Because that is at this point incumbent upon you. You have been unable to give any reasons whatsoever why a foreigner should not have his passport on him if the very purpose of a passport is to be on a traveller abroad for ID purposes, such as might arise when boarding a plane, renting a car etc.

because the passport is a red herring, there is no evidence the hijackers were on the plane. ...

Bare Assertion Logical Fallacy.
End then running away from your own argument about passports.
The passport IS part of the evidence that the hijackers were in the plane, although not a necessary one. It corroborated the obvious. The fact of hijackers on planes would be established beyond all reasonable doubt even without passports found.

 

[carlitos]

how many pages have we spent discussing whether or not the passport could have survived?
a waste of time.
because the passport is a red herring, there is no evidence the hijackers were on the plane. there is no evidence the plane was hijacked.
there is more proof that the plane was not hijacked, from the fact that the hijack code, which pilots are trained to transmit to the ground control was not received from any of the 4 planes with a total of 8 pilots.
there would have been ample time as the door to the cockpit is kept locked in flight and it would only take a few seconds to turn 4 knobs on the squawk box.
pilots have been trained for years how to react in a hijack, and sending the squawk code would have been the first priority.
how stupid do you think pilots are?
the first thing isreali pilots are trained to do is put the plane in a steep dive and throw hijackers off balance.

Your knowledge of American and Israeli pilot training procedures is no doubt on par with your knowledge of visiting countries outside of Britain, logical fallacies, the 'shift' key and such.