The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[DGM]

Why not leave the book there? I mean their entire plan involved them dying so who would really care about some evidence being left behind?

I heard they left a mess and didn't leave a good tip at the hotel in Portland.

 

[VonKleist]

I think he may be getting confused with the flight manuals that were found in Marwan al-Shehhi's Florida hotel room? I'm not aware of any being recovered from vehicles.

Abdul Aziz al-Omari's passport was recovered from Mohammed Atta's luggage left behind at Logan airport. So presumably al-Omari was able to board without a passport.

 

[twinstead]

Regardless, idle conjecture and simple incredulity impresses me not. There could quite literally be 100 different legitimate reasons why the hijackers took some things with them and left others. Silver birch's discounting of the HUGE amount of evidence that supports the commonly-held narrative because some things make him go, "hmmmmmmm" is ludicrous.

 

[DGM]

. So presumably al-Omari was able to board without a passport.

If memory serves (from my many flights inside the US), if you had a boarding pass and a library card you were good to go.

 

[carlitos]

If memory serves (from my many flights inside the US), if you had a boarding pass and a library card you were good to go.

Yeah, I flew on September 14 and 17 that year and remember making a big point of having ID.

 

[NoahFence]

Wasn't the airspace still closed on the 14th?

 

[carlitos]

Wasn't the airspace still closed on the 14th?

I'm pretty sure it was Friday the 14th. (ETA - Yep, damn near positive, after asking the Mrs.) I was on one of the first flights out of Maui. Our crew had been stuck there for 3 days, just like us. It was surreal. We got to LA, but the crew didn't show up for the connecting flight (that happened a lot in the first few days of airspace being re-opened). Luckily I had rented a car just in case, and we drove across the country over the weekend.

 

[NoahFence]

Wow. That's one hell of a ride for a weekend. Took me 5 days to get from Boston to Ft. Lauderdale back in the day.

Of course, 8 hours in DC, a few hours in Busch Gardens Virginia, etc...etc...etc.... caused that.

 

[DGM]

Took me 5 days to get from Boston to Ft. Lauderdale back in the day.

My personal best was 24.5 hours for that trip.

 

[carlitos]

Wow. That's one hell of a ride for a weekend.

On the bright side, they were almost out of cars, so I got a Volvo S 60 with a Navigation system for the price of a compact. Set the Nav for "Mormon Tabernacle," drove through In & Out burger, and started driving East.

 

[NoahFence]

Wasn't a navagation system in 2001 just some guy hitchhiking back on route 66?

 

[DGM]

Wasn't a navagation system in 2001 just some guy hitchhiking back on route 66?

I think be "navigation system" he means a glorified electronic "triptic*"

* Google it if you never had the pleasure,

 

[triforcharity]

although, it does seem odd to me, that they left the 'how to fly an airliner guide' in the car at the airport.

Why would they need it? They'd all had pilots' licenses. Remember?

 

[triforcharity]

I'm quite prepared to concede any points in a discussion on this forum,

Prove it.

however, I fail to find anything incredulous about not believing a passport survived the fire that cremated the hijacker,

Wow. Maybe because it was in the fireball for a grand total of maybe 5 seconds? And never experienced any of the rest of the forces that the hijackers' bodies did.

Remember? No building collapsed on it after being in the seat of a raging fire for ~ an hour, nor allowed to be exposed to the elements for days, weeks, or even months......

fell to ground through the fireball

Gravity does that to things.

and was handed in as evidence.

Why? Wouldn't that be some of the best evidence?

why not question the incredulity of the 84% of Americans who do not beleive the official story either?
(poll carried out by CNN and new york times)

Well, how about this.

I do question this. Well, sort of. Prove this happened. I'll wait.

 

[triforcharity]

I'm not 100% positive that you had to show ID to board a plane before 9/11. Can someone confirm that?

Yes, most of the time. I visited a friend of mine many moons ago (1999/2000) and left my ID at his house as I was leaving Bradley Field in CT. I was allowed to board the plane, as I had my return ticket stub.

But, that was the exception. It wasn't common.

 

[triforcharity]

Hey Silver,

There is a post on page 34 (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7907074#post7907074) that you have yet to address. Would you be so kind as to do that soon?

Silver, remember this post way back? Would you care to address it now, and feel free to admit you were wrong.

I'll wait.

It had to do with your claim of black smoke=dying fire BS.

 

[leftysergeant]

why not question the incredulity of the 84% of Americans who do not beleive the official story either?
(poll carried out by CNN and new york times)

You might ask what percentage of people really believed that Bush the Lesser actual won the election in 2000. You might then ask how many of them have any training in fire science.

Right there, you have at least 50% of the public all WTF?

Throw in a few Nazis and anarchocapitalists and reality takes a vacation.

 

[Chuck Guiteau]

... however, I fail to find anything incredulous about not believing a passport survived the fire that cremated the hijacker, fell to ground through the fireball and was handed in as evidence.

Why not? It's a common occurence. The passport (along with any other small, lightweight objects that could be easily moved by intense air pressure) moved ahead of the fireball and was ejected from the building along with a huge amount of other debris.As the plane hits the building the nose is crushed, air pressure builds up inside the passenger and crew compartments and this, along with momentum, carries anything lightweight and aerodynamic forward, further aided by the pressure wave in front of the fireball.
In addition to the examples an explanations given above, here's what I'm sure you'll find to be a real mind blower:

A soldier in a firefight during the Vietnam War is killed by a mortar round which impacts a foot or so from where he is standing, literally blowing him to pieces. In the aftermath a letter he was writing home is found on the ground several meters from the impact site, still intact, even readable. Not a scorch or tear on it.
How could such a fragile thing as a mere piece of paper, protected by nothing more substantial than a shirt pocket, survive such a horrendous explosion?
This is not some fictional example, BTW, it really happened. I was there and witnessed it.

I notice you (and your fellow thruthers) are still focused on trivialities and refusing to provide anyone with a detailed, cogent prima facie case.
Wonder why.

 

[NoahFence]

Wonder why.

All truthers are liars. Funny that.

 

[Oystein]

...
2, if a passport did not have to be shown to board an internal flight, would a terrorist on a suicide mission have bothered carrying one anyway?
(unless they needed it to get into paradise and meet their 72 virgins)

You repeat a question, but don't give an answer. I asked: Is it unusual for foreigners to carry a passport? Why is that suspicious?

Please answer the question with facts or logic, not with yet another repetition of your loaded question!

Because in my experience as a foreigner, it is not at all unusual to carry a passport and use it as ID document when travelling abroad. It is the very thing that passports are for! You seem to doubt this. Please elaborate!