The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

ImANiceGuy said:
Words are important.
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Not as important as the ideas they convey.

"100% impossible" is way pithier than "so improbable as to not be worth considering", and in terms of understanding 9/11 they mean the same thing, just as Newtonian mechanics is perfectly adequate for understanding most real-world problems, even though it's not quite accurate.

But hey, if you want to reduce 9/11 to a semantic argument, don't let me stop you.
 
chipmunk stew said:
But hey, if you want to reduce 9/11 to a semantic argument, don't let me stop you.
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That depends on what the definition of "is" is. ;)

Actually, with truthers EVERY single argument ends up like this. Ultimately, semantics is all they have
 
twinstead said:
What is the possibility of a coin being flipped and coming up heads?
what is the probability of a coin being flipped and coming up heads?
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The possibility of a coin coming up heads or tails is just that; possible. There are no varying degrees of possibility, only probability.

This is why proclaiming anything that has a probability, however remote, as 100% impossible, is redundant and absurd.

The fact that skeptics, who are supposed to be capable of a high level of logic and reason, play along with this ridiculous thread, just proves that they(read: you) have completely lost their ability to view the 9/11 events with objectivity. Enter duh-bunkers who love to laugh at Truthers.

For example, I proclaim that the passport surviving the planecrash is 100% impossible.
 
twinstead said:
That depends on what the definition of "is" is. ;)

Actually, with truthers EVERY single argument ends up like this. Ultimately, semantics is all they have
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Well does "is" mean "is" or does it mean "may be"? Big difference...

Reminds me of Chewy, who claimed in another thread that he used the word 'metal' instead of the word 'steel', because truthers have been doing the same thing, and you have to think like truthers in order to argue with them.

To me it seems uneccesarily complicated. To you, anything is acceptable as long as it supports the jref concensus.

In your defense, Truther websites are worse....and I post on none of them.
 
ImANiceGuy said:
The possibility of a coin coming up heads or tails is just that; possible. There are no varying degrees of possibility, only probability.

This is why proclaiming anything that has a probability, however remote, as 100% impossible, is redundant and absurd.

The fact that skeptics, who are supposed to be capable of a high level of logic and reason, play along with this ridiculous thread, just proves that they(read: you) have completely lost their ability to view the 9/11 events with objectivity. Enter duh-bunkers who love to laugh at Truthers.

For example, I proclaim that the passport surviving the planecrash is 100% impossible.
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Senantics: the last refuge of an untenable position.

BTW, we have too much history of soft paper and other things that "common sense" would say was impossible to survive events like 9-11 to say the passport surving is 100% impossible (disintegrating space shuttle, anyone?). So, that statement is ludicrous from the get go.

Personally, I don't think you have lost your ability to view the 9/11 events with objectivity, I submit you never had it in the first place. Just sayin'
 
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ImANiceGuy said:
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To me it seems uneccesarily complicated. To you, anything is acceptable as long as it supports the jref concensus.
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You DO realize of course that the commonly-held narrative of 9-11 isn't just the "jref concensus", right? You, like most truthers, often forget just how much you are in the minority and just how much your actions resemble those of a cult--all the while lecturing the JREF about the cult mentality.

Don't kill the messenger; we are just telling you what the rest of the world thinks. We simply represent the reaction you'd get among any group of rational people.
 
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triforcharity said:
WOW!!! Using that logic, I am going to win the lottery tonight!!

WOOT!!
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I wouldn't sign off on your new car just yet Triforcharity.

Is it possible that if you play the lottery your number will be called?

Yes, it is possible. Is it 50% possible, 100% possible, or 0.0001% possible? Hint: Trick question.

So your logic fails, badly. I would try to understand things better before attempting to make them into a joke.

Twinstead: You do realize that the common consensus is that 'impossible' does not equal 'improbable' right? Even if the probability is minute....
 
twinstead said:
Don't kill the messenger; we are just telling you what the rest of the world thinks. We simply represent the reaction you'd get among any group of rational people.
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Wrong....so wrong.

Rational people understand there is a big difference between impossible and improbable. The ability for said event to occur being the major difference.

Is it that hard for you "rational bunch of people' to accept simple logic? Are you afraid that admitting an inside job has a probability might get you labelled as a truther? Smells like fear to me....
 
We take the evidence that has been found and make the best conclusion that fits the event. Truthers ignore or handwave this evidence away for unreasonable theory's to fit their burning desire to blame the us government.

There is no such thing as 30% possible. It's either possible or impossible. Probability and possibility get used interchangabley incorrectly. To say something is possible is not putting a number in front of it.
 
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LightningTeg said:
Regardless of improbable or impossible, we take the evidence that has been found and make the best conclusion that fits the event. Truthers ignore or handwave this evidence away for unreasonable theory's to fit their burning desire to blame the us government.
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Translation:

We don't care what specific words mean. We just want to post drivel to satisfy our personal craving for making truthers look stupid. Mostly because we know no one will call us on bs threads that make no sense. As long as they serve our purpose...

Cue the "truthers dont need our help to look stupid" comments. So predictable.
 
LightningTeg said:
There is no such thing as 30% possible. It's either possible or impossible. Probability and possibility get used interchangabley incorrectly. To say something is possible is not putting a number in front of it.
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According to jref (who represents rational society! huge laugh!), impossible is improbable. If it is "vanishingly improbable", thats as good as impossible.

...so stupid.

Iamaniceguy = done with this thread
 
ImANiceGuy said:
Rational people understand there is a big difference between impossible and improbable. The ability for said event to occur being the major difference.
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Rational people also understand that there is a big difference between the ability of an event to occur (theoretically, one day) and the ability of it to have occurred (in actual fact, in the past).
 
Have you actually addressed any of the arguments and evidence or are you just going to complain about semantics for the entire thread?
 
ImANiceGuy said:
Good try though....Its 100% possible, not 50% possible.

A coinflip has 2 possibilities, each with a 50% probability.

Words are important.
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In that case it's 0% possible that you are a purple water breathing creature.
 
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