The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

Fonebone said:
If you are a sincere truth seeker Craig these links will help you understand
WHY no explosive residues were found by the NIST. Bic?

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."

NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.
The responses to questions number 2, 4, 5 and 11 demonstrate why NIST concluded that there were no explosives or controlled demolition involved in the collapses of the WTC towers.


http://www.metroactive.com/metro/09.09.09/cover-0936.html
• NIST never tested for explosive residues despite evidence, including many eyewitness accounts from first responders and people who escaped the buildings, that explosives and incendiaries were present.
• The collapse of the three buildings resembles two different types of controlled demolitions, and not the bending or toppling of a heated building section that might result from a fire.
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grandmastershek said:
I would love to see truthers at a murder scene.

"HE WAS SHOT! THERE IS BLOOD AND SOMEONE HEARD A BANG!"

"No...there is no sign of a gun shot wound, but a knife wound instead."

"WHY DON'T YOU TEST FOR GUN POWDER! SOMEONE HEARD A BANG!"

"Why do that? There is no sign of a gun. The bang could have been a door slamming, it could be anything. Only the guy in the other room heard a bang. If it was a gun it would have been loud enough for the neighbors to hear."

"PEOPLE HEARD A BANG!!!"
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Actually they wouldn't make these claims on the scene, but 10 years later. They would claim that there is no direct evidence of a knife wound, since the body had been (conveniently, wink wink) cremated a decade earlier.
 
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Dave Rogers said:
And there, in a nutshell, you've shown why this sub-forum, insignificant though it is, is such a problem for truthers. Here, intelligent citizens from all over the world have awoken, thought and researched 9/11, and found that all the evidence points to al-Qaeda having been its perpetrators, and that the hypotheses put forward in which the US Government is complicit are without exception not just unproven but absurd. In your distorted world view, we cannot possibly exist. So you have to keep coming back here and trying to rationalise us away. And we won't disappear, so you get frustrated and angry, and post ever more ridiculous rants in which you accuse anyone and everyone of whatever crosses your mind at the moment you write them.

Every time you post another rant like this, you hammer home how irrelevant the truth movement is, and always was.

Dave
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I have always found it fascinating and a little amusing how a sub-forum on an obscure website has attained such notoriety among Truthers.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Is it possible that the architects of the plan would expect that the team members could keep quiet for the rest of their lives, never to give in to conscience and guilt?
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core question of any intelligence operation

Regnad Kcin said:
Is it possible that no amount of what would be an astounding amount of physical evidence at the scene would ever turn up?
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4 airplanes? What else?

Regnad Kcin said:
Is it possible that no emails, text messages, hard-drives, letters, receipts or other supporting communications evidence ever turn up?
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Abel Danger? John O'Neill? Sebil Edmonds? Michael Springman? Mineta? Amanda Keller? ISI? ..................................

Regnad Kcin said:
Is it possible that the mastermind(s) of what would be the largest and most complex conspiracy in history not have at some point said, “Y’know, there’s way too much that can go wrong here. Why don’t we just plant some bombs on a few high-visibility targets, plant a couple bodies as evidence, and do some follow-up messages to the world’s media? It would take only a half-dozen guys, tops.”
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The Arabs should ask a lot more questions.
* they had to expect air defense
* they had to expect no radar holes
* they had to expect losing control at high speed
* they had to expect being late and miss the flight
* they had to expect missing the target
* they had to expect being traced by FBI and CIA (O'Neill, Abel Danger)
* they had to expect that one of them speaks out (just like the staged Crop Duster Atta who chanted about his plans in Florida before Atta first entered the US)
* they had to expect problems to get a Visa
* they had to expect that someone uncovers the moneytrail from ISI to Atta
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Regnad Kcin said:
Is it possible that the mastermind(s), having gone to all the months of planning and execution of this massive plot, all to play the American public, not have followed up with several easy-to-manage attacks like that described in the paragraph above so as to keep the apparent terror threat high and palpable?
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* Anthrax
* London 7/7 (smaller scale, same scheme, mastermind is MI6 agent, trail of constructed evidence, simultaneous attacks, simultaneous emergency training at the very same stations etc. pp.)
Btw, it is much easier to feed the masses with video and audio messages of a black bearded phantom than blew things up leaving more evidence.

Regnad Kcin said:
Is it possible that the mastermind(s), so adept at plotting and executing a wildly intricate plan in the middle of the most populous city in the US so as to apparently justify war on Iraq under the guise of the pre-emptive removal of weapons of mass-destruction, not toss a couple WMD out the back of a cargo plane to the Iraqi desert below so as to provide justification for the war? Y’know, instead of suffering the rebuke of most of the civilized world as well as diminished stature when they, in fact, never turned up?
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If you find WMDs then you can identify the origin. On the other hand, bombing Iraq into the stone age will not provide access to the Caspian Sea area.

Regnad Kcin said:
The answer can only be no. For some of this, much less all of it, to take place successfully is not possible. Not even a little. And there’s a word for when something is not possible.

Impossible.
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Did some Arabs do it with a con-man in Hamburg who managed the whole thing between the evil ones in the desert and the doing-cocaine ones in Florida? The answer can only be no. For some of this, much less all of it, to take place successfully is not possible. Not even a little. And there’s a word for when something is not possible.

Impossible.

(So much about statements.)

Btw, how many people were in the cockpit of each plane? Seven?
 
chipmunk stew said:
I have always found it fascinating and a little amusing how a sub-forum on an obscure website has attained such notoriety among Truthers.
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Okay I have heard this obscure claim before but frankly I don't buy it. What are the qualifying factors of "obscure". In my looking around the net related to 9/11 JREF comes up often. The activity one this sub-forum and the rest of the forum is pretty high. People are posting all the time. You can go away for a few minutes, coma back and there are responses.

To me "obscure" would be can you go away and come back over hours or even days and no one has posted? If the answer is no chance in hell then your forum is not "obscure". I can dig up obscure forums if you want.
 
@achimspok,

Nice try, but based on the evidence, we know who the perps are and we know how they pulled it off. Claiming that they could not possibly have done so is delusional.
 
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Dragon37 said:
Okay I have heard this obscure claim before but frankly I don't buy it. What are the qualifying factors of "obscure". In my looking around the net related to 9/11 JREF comes up often. The activity one this sub-forum and the rest of the forum is pretty high. People are posting all the time. You can go away for a few minutes, coma back and there are responses.

To me "obscure" would be can you go away and come back over hours or even days and no one has posted? If the answer is no chance in hell then your forum is not "obscure". I can dig up obscure forums if you want.
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Fine. Relatively obscure. Better? :)

I've literally never met anyone who has heard of this site outside of this site.
 
Relatively obscure works for me. Outright obscure doesn't just because I have been or am a member of far more obscure forums. In the whole scope of the internet JREF is obscure in the world of skepticism on the internet it sure as heck isn't and when it comes to 9/11 you would have a hard time NOT coming across it ;)
 
Dragon37 said:
Relatively obscure works for me. Outright obscure doesn't just because I have been or am a member of far more obscure forums. In the whole scope of the internet JREF is obscure in the world of skepticism on the internet it sure as heck isn't and when it comes to 9/11 you would have a hard time NOT coming across it ;)
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True. And having been an active participant in this sub-forum's genesis, I can attest that we did quite a bit of "outreach" at the beginning. :D
 
chipmunk stew said:
I have always found it fascinating and a little amusing how a sub-forum on an obscure website has attained such notoriety among Truthers.
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It's really the only game in town for them. All the other forums they visit are full of nodding heads so to get any opposition they have to come here. This may be the first time in their lives they've talked with someone who has real knowledge instead of hot air and BS. The shock seems to make them jump around like a chicken with it's head cut off.
 
Tempesta is taking a long time to come back with his full theory. What could be the matter?
 
chipmunk stew said:
@achimspok,

Nice try, but based on the evidence, we know who the perps are and we know how they pulled it off. Claiming that they could not possibly have done so is delusional.
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Yeah, I forgot...
...the cars full of evidence
...the delayed baggage of Atta full of changing things
...the strange video messages and wrong translations
...the waterboarded KSM and the vein confirmed by the CIA
...the confession videos found in the desert after an airstrike
...a passports wthat flew out of the exploding airplane
...another passport that was found 3 years later in Attas baggage
...the money trail (Oops, no one should ask about that!)
and so on and so on and so on
 
achimspok said:
Yeah, I forgot...
...the cars full of evidence
...the delayed baggage of Atta full of changing things
...the strange video messages and wrong translations
...the waterboarded KSM and the vein confirmed by the CIA
...the confession videos found in the desert after an airstrike
...a passports wthat flew out of the exploding airplane
...another passport that was found 3 years later in Attas baggage
...the money trail (Oops, no one should ask about that!)
and so on and so on and so on
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Oh I love bullet points. You just spread those out like jelly on toast not even caring if they are true, exaggerations, or irrelevant. After even the most cursory of examinations NONE of the items on this list stands out as evidence of anything suspicious at all. What you are actually spreading is doo doo on the wall just to see if anything sticks.

ETA: Luckily for you this isn't a court of law, because you'd then be forced to discuss each of the bullet points on your list, one at a time, and support any accusations you have. Here, all you need to do is toss your doo doo. Unless of course you want to start threads on each one.
 
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achimspok said:
Yeah, I forgot...
...the cars full of evidence
...the delayed baggage of Atta full of changing things
...the strange video messages and wrong translations
...the waterboarded KSM and the vein confirmed by the CIA
...the confession videos found in the desert after an airstrike
...a passports wthat flew out of the exploding airplane
...another passport that was found 3 years later in Attas baggage
...the money trail (Oops, no one should ask about that!)
and so on and so on and so on
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Now you're getting it!

Not to mention all the physical evidence, recordings, eyewitnesses...
 
Dragon37 said:
Okay I have heard this obscure claim before but frankly I don't buy it. What are the qualifying factors of "obscure". In my looking around the net related to 9/11 JREF comes up often. The activity one this sub-forum and the rest of the forum is pretty high. People are posting all the time. You can go away for a few minutes, coma back and there are responses.

To me "obscure" would be can you go away and come back over hours or even days and no one has posted? If the answer is no chance in hell then your forum is not "obscure". I can dig up obscure forums if you want.
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I have to agree for the most part.

Obscure in the sense that it is JUST an internet forum. No court cases have EVER panned out, no massive demonstrations as of late, nothing.

Loose Change forums rings a bell when it comes to truely obscure.
 
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