The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[Thunder]

And this exploding elevator in the basement, it knocked people off their feet in the lobby, blew all the lobby windows out, knocked marble tiling off the walls?

Is this your claim? I was just to get straight what your claim is. And if so, how many flaming elevators are you claiming exploded?

this could have been done by jetfuel shooting down the elevator shafts and then exploding at the bottom.

the FDNY in that Naudet video did report people with their skin burned off in the WTC lobby. This could clearly have been done by the jetfuel igniting. I fail to see how an explosive would cause someone's skin to burn/peel off...and not blow them to pieces.

 

[alienentity]

In what way did I demonstrate a lack of comprehension of a simile? It's Latin, and it means likeness. I did not say "he said it looked like a bomb went off therefore a bomb went off". I'm really tired of dealing with what is obviously a lack of attention paid.

What else do you mean then...

 

[Sunstealer]

So, because large pools of silvery liquid weren't seen, you're discarding the idea that it might be aluminium, but just because no large lumps of solidified steel were found, that's no reason to suspect it wasn't molten steel?

And you haven't addressed the actual point I highlighted. You're saying the aluminium wouldn't have been glowing five weeks later, but steel was still molten. So you're saying it wasn't hot enough to melt aluminium, but it was hot enough to melt steel.

Dave

This is one of the things that I can't work out - in trutherland temperatures were hot enough to melt steel but they say no aluminium alloy was melted.

Melting points.

2024 aluminium alloy - 638°C
Iron - 1535°C (as close as any number to plain carbon steel)

So temperatures twice as hot as required for liquid aluminium alloy will produce molten pools of steel but not aluminium. hmmm??

How does that work?

If liquid steel is present then liquid aluminium must also be present.

Steel beams hot enough to be partially liquid would be visibly drooping and deforming as the observer was watching because the beam would deform under it's own weight. Any of these beams would have been instantly picked up upon by investigators examining the steel beams after removal because they would have recognised the signs of melting. Yet none were found. Were these people in on it too? If they were, then why did they remove steel that looked like swiss cheese and have metallurgical examinations performed, rather than just sweep it under the carpet?

 

[Thunder]

An elevator is not going to shake the base structure of these buildings.

a large freight elevator plummeting down possibly 110 stories, is NOT going to make the floor shake and rumble?

reeeeeaaalllyyyyyyy......

a large tractor trailer driving by you can make the ground shake and rumble, and you think a multi-ton steel object crashing down hundreds of feet cannot have the same effect?

wow.

 

[tempesta29]

this could have been done by jetfuel shooting down the elevator shafts and then exploding at the bottom.

the FDNY in that Naudet video did report people with their skin burned off in the WTC lobby. This could clearly have been done by the jetfuel igniting. I fail to see how an explosive would cause someone's skin to burn/peel off...and not blow them to pieces.

Kerosene is not a high explosive. It is, however, highly incendiary. Whatever rocked people off their feet in the basement and lobby was not kerosene.

 

[tempesta29]

a large freight elevator plummeting down possibly 110 stories, is NOT going to make the floor shake and rumble?

reeeeeaaalllyyyyyyy......

a large tractor trailer driving by you can make the ground shake and rumble, and you think a multi-ton steel object crashing down hundreds of feet cannot have the same effect?

wow.

Rumble? Sure. Earth shaking, seismic-like movements knocking people off their feet and blowing all of the windows out in the lobby? No. When a B-25 bomber hit the Empire State and severed an elevator's cables, an occupant fell 75 floors and survived.

Eyewitnesses distinctly noted that the ground shaking explosions deep in the basements were more intense than the plane crashes. That also seems inconsistent with an elevator, relatively speaking.

 

[Sabretooth]

In what way did I demonstrate a lack of comprehension of a simile? It's Latin, and it means likeness. I did not say "he said it looked like a bomb went off therefore a bomb went off". I'm really tired of dealing with what is obviously a lack of attention paid.

Reference to "Pull It" in...4...3...2...

 

[Sunstealer]

Kerosene is not a high explosive. It is, however, highly incendiary. Whatever rocked people off their feet in the basement and lobby was not kerosene.

Have you ever heard of a fuel-air explosive? One of the most common fuels used in them is kerosene.

 

[Sabretooth]

Both people in the basement levels and and in the lobby were shaken, some off their feet. All involved reported these explosions were below them. No eyewitness reported this lower level explosions above them, therefore they were very deep in the sub-levels, possibly at the bottom.
Come on man. Prove I can't fly. Seriously?

You are being willfully and intentionally ignorant to facts and evidence.

Occam's Razor, anyone? What could cause this...hmmm...

- A plane strikes WTC1...an impact that severs elevator cables, and dumps thousands of pounds of now burning fuel down the shafts. This causes the "explosions" and burn victims in the lobby and other floors.

-OR-

- Bombs that were planted by a super-sekrit elite force of uber-ninjas run by an underground NWO Government run by the Joos and Zack from Saved by the Bell?

Are you getting why you sound just like every other silly toofer that has wandered through here?

 

[Sabretooth]

Rumble? Sure. Earth shaking, seismic-like movements knocking people off their feet and blowing all of the windows out in the lobby? No. When a B-25 bomber hit the Empire State and severed an elevator's cables, an occupant fell 75 floors and survived.

Eyewitnesses distinctly noted that the ground shaking explosions deep in the basements were more intense than the plane crashes. That also seems inconsistent with an elevator, relatively speaking.

Comparison Fail.

B-25 hitting a concrete building =/= a 767 hitting a steel building.

You're really using the Truther way-back machine for this one, hoss.

 

[A W Smith]

Your incredulous ignorance is once again, astonishing.

Rumble? Sure. Earth shaking, seismic-like movements knocking people off their feet and blowing all of the windows out in the lobby? No. When a B-25 bomber hit the Empire State and severed an elevator's cables, an occupant fell 75 floors and survived.

Eyewitnesses distinctly noted that the ground shaking explosions deep in the basements were more intense than the plane crashes. That also seems inconsistent with an elevator, relatively speaking.

its true, you're ignorant of fuel air explosions. keep up with your entertainment, perhaps we can get you booked as a clown at some kids birthday party.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/fae.htm

Fuel-Air Explosives [FAE] disperse an aerosol cloud of fuel which is ignited by an embedded detonator to produce an explosion. The rapidly expanding wave front due to overpressure flattens all objects within close proximity of the epicenter of the aerosol fuel cloud, and produces debilitating damage well beyond the flattened area. The main destructive force of FAE is high overpressure, useful against soft targets such as minefields, armored vehicles, aircraft parked in the open, and bunkers. Fuel/air explosive represent the military application of the vapor cloud explosions and dust explosions accidents that have long bedeviled a variety of industries. Accidental vapor cloud explosion hazards are of great concern to the refining and chemical processing industry, and a number of catastrophic explosion accidents have had significant consequences in terms of injury, property damage, business interruption, loss of goodwill, and environmental impact.

 

[Jackanory]

Eyewitnesses distinctly noted that the ground shaking explosions deep in the basements were more intense than the plane crashes. That also seems inconsistent with an elevator, relatively speaking.

How did those 'eyewitnesses' manage to compare two different occurances?

Did they personally experience the aircraft crashes and then take the elevator to the basement to personally experience the explosions?

How many explosions have you been close to? How many aircraft crashes have you been close too? How many falling elevators have you been close too?

You sure seem to have a lot to say about other peoples experiences with none of your own. It must be very demanding trying to put yourself in their shoes and using your imagination.

 

[Thunder]

Rumble? Sure. Earth shaking, seismic-like movements knocking people off their feet and blowing all of the windows out in the lobby? No.

please explain.... in detail, the significant difference between the floor rumbling and the floor shaking.

cause honestly, I really don't see it.


...and who said "seismic-like movements"? did the floor literally move up & down 2-3 feet? did the floor move side-to-side?

please quote the witnesses statements...so we don't have to simply take your word for it.

 

[tempesta29]

Comparison Fail.

B-25 hitting a concrete building =/= a 767 hitting a steel building.

You're really using the Truther way-back machine for this one, hoss.

I'm tired of having to tell you to reread. I was referring to the impact of the elevator, not the airplane.

Learn. To. Read.

 

[Craig4]

Learn. To. Read.

How about you learn something about the topics you think you know so much about.

 

[twinstead]

For somebody as arrogantly ignorant as tempesta, the only proper response is to tell him to wake me up when he convinces somebody who can do something about it that the world's engineering and scientific communities are incompetent.

So, get to work bro. Dazzle 'em. I smell Nobel Peace Prize!

 

[aggle-rithm]

Are you making the claim that a falling elevator is capable of shaking the base structures of the Twin Towers? I just want to be clear here: is this the claim you're making?



Kerosene is not a high explosive. Do you not understand how massive these structures were? Kerosene and elevators and knocking people off their feet? I can't believe you would attempt to dignify such an idea by writing it, but here we are.



And this exploding elevator in the basement, it knocked people off their feet in the lobby, blew all the lobby windows out, knocked marble tiling off the walls?

Is this your claim? I was just to get straight what your claim is. And if so, how many flaming elevators are you claiming exploded?

All of which is irrelevent since high explosives were not used. If they were, the sound would have been heard far away and would have registered on seismographs. It didn't.

Even if it was high explosives in the basement, it is still irrelevent because this clearly was not the cause of the much-later collapse.

Your argument is therefore doubly irrelevent.

 

[Sabretooth]

I'm tired of having to tell you to reread. I was referring to the impact of the elevator, not the airplane.

Learn. To. Read.

And I'm tired of you spouting obtuse nonsense.

Learn. To. Present. Evidence. Not. Ignorance.

 

[alienentity]

this could have been done by jetfuel shooting down the elevator shafts and then exploding at the bottom.

AFAIK, fuel/air exploding anywhere in the elevator shafts would have produced the result seen. A minor quibble.

 

[aggle-rithm]

AFAIK, fuel/air exploding anywhere in the elevator shafts would have produced the result seen. A minor quibble.

Absolutely. A fuel-air explosion in open air would be pretty devastating, but this was in the confined space of an elevator shaft.

Anyone who's seen a potato gun in action will understand the principle.