The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

SpringHallConvert said:
Yep, just read the forum. You'll find nada. Zip. Zilch.

If I am wrong, prove it. Show me your smoking gun, Al-Qaeda did it all alone proof.

Good luck, troofer!
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Lol! You didn't read that question carefully did you?

Well, either that or you don't know the difference between evidence & proof... though I suspect you do since you've been very careful to use the word proof so far.
 
obviously somebody gave him some advice on what debate technique to use to pwn the "Evil Debunkers". Simply ask for proof, then ignore any evidence given. Tried and true: Refuse to accept ANY evidence that is contrary to ones position. Great debate mojo.

Boy, he sure pwned us! :rolleyes:
 
SpringHallConvert said:
I don't attempt to answer the question because frankly I don't know how. Even if We the People tried to create our own investigation using our own resources, the State could interdict and declare anyone involved a "domestic terrorist". The State - our State - has the power to disappear nearly anyone now without due process. The FBI could infiltrate and disrupt. False charges could be trumped up. A foreign war could be started to distract attention. A false flag attack could be carried out. The government could stonewall at every turn. The list goes on and on...

Our government has enormous financial and coercive resources at its disposal.
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Then why are you still posting?
 
arielflight said:
From John Farmer, Senior Council to the 9/11 Commission:
Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth ...


What would you do if you did find by your own research everything including "the crazy truthers" that 9/11 was an inside job? Could you be honest enough to admit it?
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Did the research for over 10 years, 19 terrorists did 911.

Great example of supporting silly stuff by quote-mining someone who knows 19 terrorists did 911. Did you intend on refuting the insane inside job claim?

Farmer does not support an inside job. Your post does not make the "crazy truthers" less crazy, it makes them more crazy. It makes the inside job claim, crazy.
 
twinstead said:
obviously somebody gave him some advice on what debate technique to use to pwn the "Evil Debunkers". Simply ask for proof, then ignore any evidence given. Tried and true: Refuse to accept ANY evidence that is contrary to ones position. Great debate mojo.

Boy, he sure pwned us! :rolleyes:
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Our sources are crackpots, his are saints. Easy-Peasy.
 
Oystein said:
First, every criminal who plans a crime counts on the inability of state agencies to ürevent the crime. According to your logic, every successful burglary is proof of inside job. Pretty whacky, huh?

Then, KSM had hatched a pretty awesome plan: Hijack 4 planes in close temporal order, and minimize the time from hijack to crash. It doen't really matter what they thought of the ability of the military, NSA, CIA, FAA. It was clear that hijacks are possible, it was clear that flying a plane was possible, and it is clear to every person with a bit of common sense that the government is not prepared to shoot down civilian airliners within 30 minutes everywhere with the country.

But please tell me: What do you think the FAA could have done to prevent them from crashing planes, once they are on the planes? And what could the CIA have done? Anything at all? Answer: Nothing at all. (FAA could have alerted NORAD quicker, perhaps)

Now suppose FAA had alerted the military faster, the military had fighters in the air within minute, all had perfect situational awareness, and they had in fact managed to intercept all four planes. What then? Before crash 1 - would YOU have ordered to shoot down an American civilian airliner with plenty of American civilians aboard over American soil? Hardly. At the time, it wasn't clear at all what their plan was.
Once AA11 was over New York, and perhaps intention dawned on you, would YOU have ordered a shoot-down then? Causing how many American casualties on the ground in addition to all aboard?
Now let's suppose you have the three other planes in front of your guns after AA11 has already been crashed. Would you order a shoot-down now? Even if you did - forcing the USA to kill three planes full of innocent Americans, and having hit and destroyed one WTC tower, would already constitute a HUGE success for AQ. So what do they care how fast the military reacts?
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There is an intercept procedure which does not always mean, shoot first ask questions later, not that it would have stopped a commercial airline being shot down, but might have stopped the attack of the south tower and the pentagon.
 
dc1971 said:
Show ONE example of belittling?

Show ONE example of an insult?
Originally Posted by GlennB View Post
I see somebody who registered 2 years ago and couldn't be bothered to post till now. Damn lazy!

Show ONE example of hate?
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I have more interesting things to do than look again thru all the pointless posts of put downs. Here is one from today.
 
arielflight said:
There is an intercept procedure which does not always mean, shoot first ask questions later, not that it would have stopped a commercial airline being shot down, but might have stopped the attack of the south tower and the pentagon.
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Please provide details of that protocol,and elucidate for us
  • What time intervals do these protocols allow for a) time from noticing problem to alerting NORAD b) Time from alerting NORAD to fighter lift-off c) Time from fighter lift-off to intercept (fighter actually behind target).
  • Tell us where in the USA there are actual fighters on alert that can be used for such intercepts, and discuss what that means with regard to the time until intercepting airliners anywhere within the Continental USA
  • How often had the rotocal been put into action in the years before 9/11 to actually intercept civilian planes over the Continental USA?
  • What was the mean, and the shortest, time interval was from first sign of a problem to issuing an alarm at NORAD to actual intercept (fighter follows target close behind) for these intercepts over the Continental USA?
  • Then discuss the time intervals actually available on 9/11, location of alert fighters, actual event, and compare with protocols and experience before 9/11!

I think if you go through that, you will find that there was absolutely no chance at all to intercept, let alone shoot down, AA11 and UA 175 even assuming perfect information and actions by all concerned. As for AA77, you will find that, while it may have been physically possible to intercept that flight, it wasn't actually possible because the various agencies did not share whatever information arose perfectly and efficiently. There might have been a slim chance to intercept UA93 if it had not crashed before getting closer to the east coast.

If you have trouble doing that research, feel free to ask for assistance. But it could be a good exercise for you to try it on your own. I did that about 2 years ago myself, even contacted a Lieutenant colonel of the German airforce, former NATO staff officer, to explain these protocols to me (they are basically the same in all NATO member states). That officer was even a borderline truther! He thought the inability of NORAD to intercept the planes was suspicious, but was smart and stopped short of making any claim of foul play. During my exchange with him I found that he was not informed about the locations and number of alert fighters in the north-eastern USA (he believed that Andrews AFB would have had alert crews, which simply isn't the case), and this misinfirmation was ultimately the cause for his suspicion. Working with factual information, you will find that NORAD had its resources too thinly spread since the end of the Cold War and some cut-backs after 1991.
 
Redtail said:
Well when you crash a plane into... well damn near anything at 500 MPH, people on said plane tend to die. Even if they intended to crash said plane.
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Gotta say, there is so much more. Some people cannot see the forest for the trees.
Some cannot read between the lines. Some cannot follow the money. Some people cannot concieve of the lies, deaths, and suffering of innocent people.
People in this country who have worked for and have ties to our government, lied about the Gulf of Tonkin, the Vietnam War cost the United States 58,000 lives and 350,000 casualties. It also resulted in between one and two million Vietnamese deaths.
Project Paperclip, bringing in Nazi war criminals to our country, who then started MKULTRA, who experimented on innocent unknowing, Americans including children.
Then we have the Plutonium Papers, exposing Americans to harmful radiation unknowingly.
When did we learn of these things? Long after the people responsible were around to be held accountable. Why should 9/11 be any different?
We went to Iraq based on LIES, look at all of our men and women and innocent Iraqi's who have died and suffered. America now condones TORTURE as a valid way to get information. If you witnessed your child being tortured, you would lie your ass off to make them stop, even if you didn't know anything!
We have lost our dignity, privacy, our rights. America has good people who want to help others, but they are not in power; and these lying mfer's, (want to know who they are?.....follow the money), have ruined this country are so obscenely wealthy and protected by the media and politicians they own, that they can and do get away with murder. They laugh at you, because they know that you will keep believing their bs, it doesn't even bother you, that the 9/11 Commission admits there are lies. Do you really believe that it was all just incompetence? The Commission had to find some way to explain the lies without the real criminals being accused.
Have a nice day.:)
TRANSCRIPT: On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.

The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.

NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.

The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).

Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.

If you have any questions about this story…you are a *******, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever.
 
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