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The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

Regnad Kcin

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This is the conspiracy:
  • The plan is to create and carry out, in secret, an attack on multiple targets in the US, made to appear to be the work of religious extremists from the Middle East (Difficulty Rating: high)
  • The plan (here defined by what ended up taking place, although it would likely start as something broader and be refined along the way) must be conceived and shared with at least one person, both of whom must carry the secret forever, risking careers, family, probably the death penalty, as well as the same for co-conspirators who would be implicated in short order (DR: high)
  • The plan must be conceived and outlined, creating some kind of paper and/or electronic trail
  • Subsets of the plan must each be delegated to lieutenants, recruited (see above re: risks) and charged with its execution (DR: high)
Here on things get a little difficult to outline. The reason being whatever your method du jour, be it no planes, or remote controlled planes, or planted plane parts, or voice morphing technology, or live video animation overlay, or space beams, or mini nukes, or the Twin Towers being constructed with explosives to be detonated three decades later, or Pentagon fly-overs with roadway light poles and other debris and body parts strewn around outside to make it look like a jetliner crashed into the building, to faked craters in the field in Pennsylvania, to whatever Tom-Clancy-lite stews the conspiracy-minded have cooked up over the years, would each require some different elements of conception, planning, procurement, staffing, and execution, as to make it way too difficult to describe here. So for the sake of simplicity, not that it in reality begins to approach that ideal, let’s just stick to “controlled demolition” of the Twin Towers and WTC 7, including the presence of four passenger airliners.
  • Subsets include but not limited to: air strike on WTC 1, secret demolition of WTC 1, air strike on WTC 2, secret demolition of WTC 2, secret demolition of WTC 7, air strike on the Pentagon, secret explosion at the Pentagon, crash in Pennsylvania (presumably designed into the plan, as any preparation for a false hit by the 4th airliner (generally considered after-the-fact to be either the White House or the capital building) would be untenably risky)
Shall I continue? Okay.
  • Each subset of the plan requires a budget
  • Each subset must be funded, creating a paper and/or electronic trail (DR: medium-high)
  • Each conspirator must be provided a fee, sufficient to offset the extraordinary risks involved, and this added to the budget (DR: difficult to speculate)
  • An account or accounts must be created for the purposes of funding the plan, each one active (with numerous and high-dollar expenditures most every step), creating a paper and/or electronic trail (DR: medium)
  • The plan must be initiated at some point and work towards its execution, presumably determined along the way. In any event, the plan cannot be overly long in its gestation lest it either be discovered or given away, either accidentally or intentionally
Let’s briefly look at just one subset, demolition of WTC 1, as an example of the complexity involved in such an undertaking.

Assuming the building would need to be wired for “controlled demolition” (a much-abused term, but adequate for this discussion), we have to: 1) gather a crew of sufficient numbers and expertise (I cannot speculate how large the number would be, but let’s go wildly conservative and say ten); 2) pay for their cooperation as well as take whatever steps necessary to ensure their lifelong secrecy, the same as the project lieutenants; 3) develop a plan; 4) procure materials, including untold spools of wiring, detonators, remote devices, installation tools (drills, saws, crimpers, ladders, lighting, breathing masks, etc.) transportation, false IDs, and various & sundry; 4) make numerous trips transporting materials from an origin warehouse to the site or a staging area nearby (which would have to be found and rented ahead of time); 5) provide some scripted preparation to the crew for the purpose of impromptu interaction with building personnel, security, or the general public; 6) set to work; 7) proceed in such a way as to not call attention to the tasks, knowing that, after the fact, many witnesses would recall anything unusual, including the exposure of numerous portions of support structure of the tower, one of the two largest building in Manhattan; 8) continue and maintain the secret work, including final patch, painting, carpeting and trim repair, and cleanup, for however many long days the task would require.

Again, all this and much more would be necessary for even a modest-size team to secretly plan, devise, and install the numerous elements of only one of the multiple components of the events of Sept. 11, 2001.

But is it possible?

Is it possible to find a few much less dozens of people, presumably American, to wage war on their fellow unarmed citizens?

Is it possible that not one of these dozens of treasonous, murdering cowards would, over the course of the many months leading up to the attacks, not accidentally or on purpose divulge even some small detail to a drinking buddy? A wife or girlfriend? A mother or father?

Is it possible that not one of these cold-blooded conspirators, likely in fear of their safety (as well as that of their loved ones), not put in place testimony and evidence so as to reveal the plan to the FBI, the media, their congressman, senator and others should anything happen to them once the deed was done?

Is it possible that the architects of the plan would expect that the team members could keep quiet for the rest of their lives, never to give in to conscience and guilt?

Is it possible that no amount of what would be an astounding amount of physical evidence at the scene would ever turn up?

Is it possible that no emails, text messages, hard-drives, letters, receipts or other supporting communications evidence ever turn up?

Is it possible that the mastermind(s) of what would be the largest and most complex conspiracy in history not have at some point said, “Y’know, there’s way too much that can go wrong here. Why don’t we just plant some bombs on a few high-visibility targets, plant a couple bodies as evidence, and do some follow-up messages to the world’s media? It would take only a half-dozen guys, tops.”

Is it possible that the mastermind(s), having gone to all the months of planning and execution of this massive plot, all to play the American public, not have followed up with several easy-to-manage attacks like that described in the paragraph above so as to keep the apparent terror threat high and palpable?

Is it possible that the mastermind(s), so adept at plotting and executing a wildly intricate plan in the middle of the most populous city in the US so as to apparently justify war on Iraq under the guise of the pre-emptive removal of weapons of mass-destruction, not toss a couple WMD out the back of a cargo plane to the Iraqi desert below so as to provide justification for the war? Y’know, instead of suffering the rebuke of most of the civilized world as well as diminished stature when they, in fact, never turned up?

The answer can only be no. For some of this, much less all of it, to take place successfully is not possible. Not even a little. And there’s a word for when something is not possible.

Impossible.
 
What I find so amusing is how much of your argument is predicated on this idea that there must be this massive paper trail. Not every plan leaves a paper or electronic trail, nor does every funding of a plan. If you think that every dollar in the federal government is accounted for then you need to do a little research.

And all of these people that need to keep quiet.. who are they? Who is this man claiming to have put a bomb in the North Tower of the World Trade Center? He's a kook that's who, and no one believes him, assuming he isn't killed before he ever opens his mouth. What evidence is there these men would have any evidence of their own to show the world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

There's just a bit of background on US government mind control. Your argument assumes that those directly involved in such an operation even have total cognitive awareness of what they're doing or that they would remember any of it afterwards.

Oh but wait, mind control is just a conspiracy theory. Yawn.
 
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And all of these people that need to keep quiet.. who are they?...

Good question.
A question that must be answered by those peddling conspiracy theories
A question never answered, with accompanying evidence, by truthers.

tempesta, what is your theory? Who did 9/11, and how, and what kind of people and how many people did it take, at a minimum, to do it? Such a theory would answer that question. Without such a theory, you have nothing but hot air.

Oh but wait, mind control is just a conspiracy theory. Yawn.

Correct. I, too, find such stuff tiring.
 
... Oh but wait, mind control is just a conspiracy theory. Yawn.
Not for those like you who believe 911 truth lies and delusions. You are under mind control as you spew nonsense on 911. You would have to be under mind control to believes such moronic claptrap.
 
What I find so amusing is how much of your argument is predicated on this idea that there must be this massive paper trail. Not every plan leaves a paper or electronic trail, nor does every funding of a plan. If you think that every dollar in the federal government is accounted for then you need to do a little research.
So you find it funny that there would be a massive paper/electronic trail, but it makes sense that you would be able to see through their ruse by using Google?

And all of these people that need to keep quiet.. who are they? Who is this man claiming to have put a bomb in the North Tower of the World Trade Center? He's a kook that's who, and no one believes him, assuming he isn't killed before he ever opens his mouth. What evidence is there these men would have any evidence of their own to show the world?
Seriously, you should've just went all in & finished that paragraph with "that's what makes it so fiendish!" Real life isn't a movie.

If someone who planted the bombs hushabooms wanted to come forward it would be a simple matter to inform people what was used, where it was placed, when it was placed etc... & then show mathematically how it brought the towers down. Granted it wouldn't be rock solid proof, but it would be evidence that led to other evidence.

As far as their being killed, um... Dylan Avert, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, all making a decent living exposing 9/11... Not dead... weird huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

There's just a bit of background on US government mind control. Your argument assumes that those directly involved in such an operation even have total cognitive awareness of what they're doing or that they would remember any of it afterwards.

Oh but wait, mind control is just a conspiracy theory. Yawn.
Then why not just mind control the hijackers? Only 19 of them.

Good job on being a text book example of a cter though.
 
What I find so amusing is how much of your argument is predicated on this idea that there must be this massive paper trail. Not every plan leaves a paper or electronic trail, nor does every funding of a plan. If you think that every dollar in the federal government is accounted for then you need to do a little research.

You obviously don't know much about how government projects work....

And all of these people that need to keep quiet.. who are they? Who is this man claiming to have put a bomb in the North Tower of the World Trade Center? He's a kook that's who, and no one believes him, assuming he isn't killed before he ever opens his mouth. What evidence is there these men would have any evidence of their own to show the world?

Yep....you obviously don't know how "secret" stuff works.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

There's just a bit of background on US government mind control. Your argument assumes that those directly involved in such an operation even have total cognitive awareness of what they're doing or that they would remember any of it afterwards.

Oh but wait, mind control is just a conspiracy theory. Yawn.

And there it is folks!

Another great reference by someone who investi-googles.....here is a little hint for you.....if you have to go to wikipedia or youtube to get information on secret government projects (that are no longer secret obviously) then you simply don't have a clue how any of this works in real life.

Hows the armchair quarterbacking working out for ya?

This is why no one who actually knows about this stuff gives a damn what you think, believe, or say.....cause you just don't matter.

:)
 
Is it possible that the mastermind(s) of what would be the largest and most complex conspiracy in history not have at some point said, “Y’know, there’s way too much that can go wrong here. Why don’t we just plant some bombs on a few high-visibility targets, plant a couple bodies as evidence, and do some follow-up messages to the world’s media? It would take only a half-dozen guys, tops.”

I believe that if the government had actually conspired something like 9/11 this is what would have happened...

1. If they planned the event for Sep 11 2001 it still would not have happened....there would be power point briefing after power point briefing to this day.

2. If the original targets were the world trade center buildings then that would have been changed within a few years to smaller buildings and likely not even in the same city.

3. There would be so many agencies and individuals involved that it would of ended up all over wikileaks.

Large scale government projects, especially projects that have a lot of different agencies forced to work together, almost never go as planned and are typically over budget and over schedule.

An operation like 911 would be almost impossible to pull off undetected (or at all) given the current level of red tape within our government.
 
I believe that if the government had actually conspired something like 9/11 this is what would have happened...

1. If they planned the event for Sep 11 2001 it still would not have happened....there would be power point briefing after power point briefing to this day.

2. If the original targets were the world trade center buildings then that would have been changed within a few years to smaller buildings and likely not even in the same city.

3. There would be so many agencies and individuals involved that it would of ended up all over wikileaks.

Large scale government projects, especially projects that have a lot of different agencies forced to work together, almost never go as planned and are typically over budget and over schedule.

An operation like 911 would be almost impossible to pull off undetected (or at all) given the current level of red tape within our government.

Too often CT'ers (and the 9/11 version aren't any better) think that the gubmint is all powerful, but able to hide anything...

I am reminded of how much the US government was paying for screwdrivers in the 90's (upwards of $250 per screwdriver you could buy from ACE hardware for under $10) and toilet seats for the navy ($400 to $800 per seat).

We have a government where a secret between 2 people (bill clinton and monica L) couldn't be covered up, but a super sekret gubmint CT that would involve dozens (at the bare minimum) up to thousands of people (cuz it is compartamentalized) and no one ever comes forward... amazing operational security.
 
You can't get a simple 2" cotter pin (~$0.38 each) without a paper trail from supplier to end user and yet CT's think that tons of therm*te Hushaboom can be acquired with no paper trail whatsoever... And they think that we are the ones being "Mind Controlled".
 
You obviously don't know much about how government projects work....

Yep....you obviously don't know how "secret" stuff works.....

And there it is folks!

Another great reference by someone who investi-googles.....here is a little hint for you.....if you have to go to wikipedia or youtube to get information on secret government projects (that are no longer secret obviously) then you simply don't have a clue how any of this works in real life.

Hows the armchair quarterbacking working out for ya?

This is why no one who actually knows about this stuff gives a damn what you think, believe, or say.....cause you just don't matter.

:)

The Wikipedia link was for the obvious laymen on the subject, but thanks for turning it into an attack on me. Don't worry: I've gotten used to that topic. If you think, after watching hypnotists on daytime television convince a man in an armchair he's driving a Ferrari, that the CIA can't do more or less the same, then there's not much more to discuss: you need to learn more about the subject.
 
So they hypnotized thousands of people? Myself included? How amazing!! Did they have a neurolizer like they do in MIB too?
 
The Wikipedia link was for the obvious laymen on the subject, but thanks for turning it into an attack on me. Don't worry: I've gotten used to that topic. If you think, after watching hypnotists on daytime television convince a man in an armchair he's driving a Ferrari, that the CIA can't do more or less the same, then there's not much more to discuss: you need to learn more about the subject.

You watch daytime TV and believe it?
Talk about mind control...
 
What I find so amusing is how much of your argument is predicated on this idea that there must be this massive paper trail. Not every plan leaves a paper or electronic trail, nor does every funding of a plan.

Please provide an example of a government project evil or not that doesn't have a paper, e-trail, or money trail.
 
The Wikipedia link was for the obvious laymen on the subject, but thanks for turning it into an attack on me. Don't worry: I've gotten used to that topic.

I don't understand how one person can be sooo hypocritical, soo often.

You have posted massive amounts of personal attacks.
 
The Wikipedia link was for the obvious laymen on the subject, but thanks for turning it into an attack on me. Don't worry: I've gotten used to that topic. If you think, after watching hypnotists on daytime television convince a man in an armchair he's driving a Ferrari, that the CIA can't do more or less the same, then there's not much more to discuss: you need to learn more about the subject.

You do know that hypnotist cannot make anyone do anything they do not want to do? Clearly not. If they are capable of doing what you say they why is that conspiracy nutbars exist? Are you going to advance that you guys are just not susceptible? lol.

You CTer's are funnier than Monty Python.
 
Also we're expected to believe that the 'all powerful' government has managed to fool most of the world's experts- structural engineers, architects etc. But a few guys watching video footage on the internet have somehow cracked the conspiracy.
 
The Wikipedia link was for the obvious laymen on the subject, but thanks for turning it into an attack on me. Don't worry: I've gotten used to that topic. If you think, after watching hypnotists on daytime television convince a man in an armchair he's driving a Ferrari, that the CIA can't do more or less the same, then there's not much more to discuss: you need to learn more about the subject.

Prove that they are Hypnotized as you put it...please explain how this mind control works. You are right, there is nothing to discuss, nada, zilch. Mind control, only for the feeble minded truth movement.
 

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