Texas bans abortion.

[abaddon]

A Baby can't hold a conversation either, but you are not allowed to kill a baby.



Somehow, I think you could have got the severity and seriousness of the point across without swearing. Lots of people have.

Sure. But you have ignored every single one.

 

[JimOfAllTrades]

The court would have to rule that it was wrongly decided, and that the Ninth Amendment does not allow for un-enumerated rights... that would be a terrifying ruling for all Americans.

I think its time Congress enshrined Roe v Wade in Law so that it cannot be overturned, or that that any future SCOTUS overturning would have no practical effect.

I completely agree, this should have been done long ago.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

A Baby can't hold a conversation either, but you are not allowed to kill a baby.

He was questioning your rather delusional idea that fetuses, zygotes and embryos can have business.

 

[Warbler]

I completely agree, this should have been done long ago.

There is no such thing as a law that can't be overturned. You can just pass another law overturning the first. Even Constitutional amendments can be overturned. That is what happened at the end of Prohibition.

 

[Warbler]

He was questioning your rather delusional idea that fetuses, zygotes and embryos can have business.

I don't why it is delusional to think that maybe fetuses, zygotes, embryos, would not want to be killed and would want to be allowed to live. You might argue that there is no way to know what the fetus/zygote/embryo would want. But since can't ask them, I think it would proper to assume they would prefer to live. That is what happens when an unconscious patient is brought into a hospital and can't give the doctor their preferences or religious beliefs about medical aid. They assume the patient would prefer to live and try to save the patient's life.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

nonetheless, I have faith.

As is your right under the Constitution.

I never though common sense had anything to do with the Salem Witch Trials.

Oh Common sense at the time, said witches Put Hexes on Innocent people causing them pain.

The word abortion is not found in the Constitution. You know that not everyone agrees that the Constitution gives women the right to an abortion. The US Supreme did say that it did in Roe v. Wade, but many disagree with that ruling have being trying to get it reversed.

The word Citizen is in the Constitution and a citizen is granted Rights solely by Birth in the United States.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I don't why it is delusional to think that maybe fetuses, zygotes, embryos, would not want to be killed and would want to be allowed to live. You might argue that there is no way to know what the fetus/zygote/embryo would want. But since can't ask them, I think it would proper to assume they would prefer to live. That is what happens when an unconscious patient is brought into a hospital and can't give the doctor their preferences or religious beliefs about medical aid. They assume the patient would prefer to live and try to save the patient's life.

We Don't even know if they want at all.

 

[smartcooky]

There is no such thing as a law that can't be overturned. You can just pass another law overturning the first. Even Constitutional amendments can be overturned. That is what happened at the end of Prohibition.

Not quite how it works. Overturning law is not as easy as you think. The Trump administration spent four years trying to strike down/overturn the ACA... and failed at every step and in almost every court. The ACA still stands as Law.

If Roe v Wade were enshrined as a Federal Law, then a couple things would happen.

1. No State would be allowed to enact Laws that contravene Federal Law under Article VI of the Constitution under the Supremacy Clause

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."​

2. Any current attempts to sidestep Federal law, such as Texas R8 and Mississippi's Gestational Age Act will be effectively struck down.

3. There are limited ways that Law could be overturned

a. A resolution by passed by the House which would need to be confirmed by a 2/3 majority in the Senate, or

b. A direct challenge to the law at SCOTUS level (States can take cases directly to SCOTUS under 28 USC § 1251 - Original jurisdiction)​

 

[Lurch]

Thumbs down from me. Seems vapid on its face.

Men can’t have opinions on women’s issues? Women can’t have opinions on men’s issues?

Men and women are in this world together, and what either sex thinks and does affects the other.

“I don’t care what you think because you’re a man” is no better than “I don’t care what you think because you’re a woman”.

An opinion is one thing. Legislation is quite another.

 

[Olmstead]

I don't why it is delusional to think that maybe fetuses, zygotes, embryos, would not want to be killed and would want to be allowed to live. You might argue that there is no way to know what the fetus/zygote/embryo would want. But since can't ask them, I think it would proper to assume they would prefer to live. That is what happens when an unconscious patient is brought into a hospital and can't give the doctor their preferences or religious beliefs about medical aid. They assume the patient would prefer to live and try to save the patient's life.

We know how their "brain" looks at different points in their development. Until about 30 weeks, they don't have the ability to prefer or even experience anything.

 

[Warbler]

We Don't even know if they want at all.

But we do know that they are alive and are developing into a human being.

 

[Warbler]

As is your right under the Constitution.

On that, we agree.

Oh Common sense at the time, said witches Put Hexes on Innocent people causing them pain.

Is that what was common sense was at the time? Doesn't seem very sensible to me.

The word Citizen is in the Constitution and a citizen is granted Rights solely by Birth in the United States.

and yet those that are here legally but not citizens have some rights(heck, even the ones here illegally have some rights)

 

[Warbler]

We know how their "brain" looks at different points in their development. Until about 30 weeks, they don't have the ability to prefer or even experience anything.

nonetheless, I think can be argued that we shouldn't treat them like they would prefer death.

Does anyone here wish they had been aborted as a fetus/zygote/embryo? I doubt it.

 

[Orphia Nay]

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Abortions quickly resumed in at least six Texas clinics on Thursday

https://apnews.com/article/abortion...bills-courts-53d4de794ddfeddf506cd9080277d419

Seems the law hasn't stopped things. Good.

 

[psionl0]

It's grown internally from part of her body and an be linked back to it.

You can define "part of the body" in such a way that there is no difference between a foetus and a kidney but you can't stifle debate by attempting to destroy the language needed for critical thought.

 

[acbytesla]

1. I don't have to justify my faith to you.

No you don't. I didn't say you did

2. The line seems to me to be a good one.

Just because something seems to be good doesn't mean it is.

Faith is not a virtue. It's a cop-out. It's a dodge to avoid the facts. Santa Claus isn't real. Do you think faith will ever make him real?

I may be making an unfair assumption. If I am, I apologize. But chances are you believe, in some version of Christianity.

What does it say about your faith when virtually everything in the first chapter of the Bible are scientifically false.

[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light1. The earth and the universe did not come into existence at the same time. The earth is estimated to be approximately 4 billion years old and the universe is estimated to be about 14 billion years old (3.9 and 14.5 for those asking for precision)
2.The earth was almost certainly never dark as our Sun predates earth's formation.
3. Same answer as 2.

Now you can have believe in two to four thousand year old stories made up by people who thought diseases were caused by demons and not germs if you want. Me, I'm gonna roll my eyes.

I certainly am not going to follow instructions from the ignorant.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Putting aside the fact that p(support for wars of aggression) is not necessarily the same thing as p(support for war crimes) you are implying that all White Americans are (or will be) actively fighting in a war of aggression when the majority will more likely be firmly entrenched in their arm chair while others are doing the deed. IOW you are criminalizing free speech.

Wars of aggression rank alongside war crimes as part of the Nuremberg trifecta, but that's beside the point that probability is not in itself enough, not that this stops people from insisting on statistical determinism. To further argue the side issue of the responsibilities that may or may not pertain to legal warmonering is a derail, so left for a rainy day.

An unaware collection of cells that has not initiated the inner dialog and personal history that pertain to a functioning higher order brain and CNS, or one that has lost them permanently, is not meaningfully alive.

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[Crazy Chainsaw]

Is that what was common sense was at the time? Doesn't seem very sensible to me. )

Common sense doesn't have to be logical or sensible, it is simply the held view of the vast Majority of the people, at a given time. You are confusing it with reason.

and yet those that are here legally but not citizens have some rights(heck, even the ones here illegally have some rights)

Yes but I think those people were already born somewhere else.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You can define "part of the body" in such a way that there is no difference between a foetus and a kidney but you can't stifle debate by attempting to destroy the language needed for critical thought.

Who is trying to stifle debate?
I don’t care if you say the Embryo is a PHD Physicists when it at the same stage that you can't tell it from a Chickens Embryo.

 

[smartcooky]

Is that what was common sense was at the time? Doesn't seem very sensible to me.

Of course it doesn't... 300+ years of scientific advances can make things that were commonsence, seem somewhat stupid now.

The 6000 year-old Earth*¹The aether permeates all of space
Miasma Theory
Stars are holes in the firmament where light shines through from heaven*²The Geocentric model of the universe/solar system

All were once considered commonsence, accepted and regarded as fact


NOTE:
*¹: ...and we still have idiot Young Earth Creationists who believe this.
*²: ...and we still have idiot Flat Earth theists who believe this.