Texas bans abortion.

[Beelzebuddy]

How about we start here when it comes to abortion? Any idea of what we might do to fix this problem?

Fringe reset! Drink!

 

[Warbler]

Umm....yeah....that's why the word "part" is used. It is literally PART of the mother and PART of the father.

So are you. Yet you are a separate lifeform from your parents.

When I was in my mother's womb, yes...I did belong to her.

So you think your mother owned you at one point? okay.

 

[acbytesla]

"Nobody is saying this, nobody is saying that."

Here's an idea. Stop being coy and just come out and say what you are saying.

I've been with 16 year old girls that acted less coy.

 

[Shalamar]

How about we start here when it comes to abortion? Any idea of what we might do to fix this problem?

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/index.htm

What do you figure the solution is? Relaxing abortion laws further? Maybe a Pro-Choice march? Where should the main focus really be? Certainly anywhere but responsible behavior, right?

Extensive, expansive, comprehensive sexual education classes in schools would be an excellent start.

Which is something conservatives don't want.

 

[Warp12]

And since you're still on your high and mighty hobby horse of responsibility, the only possible inference one could make is you're saying women should abstain from sex if they are to be responsible.

Wrong again.

How about we start here when it comes to abortion? Any idea of what we might do to fix this problem?

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/contraception/unintendedpregnancy/index.htm

Most unintended pregnancies result from not using contraception or from not using it consistently or correctly.

What do you figure the solution is? Relaxing abortion laws further? Maybe a Pro-Choice march? Where should the main focus really be? Certainly anywhere but responsible behavior, right?

 

[Warbler]

How wonderfully dishonest of you.

I don't see how I was being dishonest. I just changed your quote to reflect the argument I actually made.

And *still* that values the fetus over the woman.

perhaps you could explain how vales the fetus over the women.

 

[Warp12]

Extensive, expansive, comprehensive sexual education classes in schools would be an excellent start.

Which is something conservatives don't want.

I don't have a problem with it. Then again, I don't consider myself to be a hardcore conservative.

 

[Shalamar]

I don't see how I was being dishonest. I just changed your quote to reflect the argument I actually made.



perhaps you could explain how vales the fetus over the women.

If you are granting a potential person rights, and in turn, removing an actual persons rights, then you value the potential over the actual.

 

[Warbler]

Okay you can't just be "not sure" of every single fatal flaw in your argument.

I can be "not sure" when I am actually not sure.

You can't just go "That's my opinion" every time you are wrong.

I can say "That's my opinion", when it is.

You can't say one thing, then say something else that directly contradicts it and not address that.

Where did I contradict myself?

 

[Warp12]

Fringe reset! Drink!

Actually not, as it was directly related to the question posed about responsibility. Which also ties in to my repeated point about proactive vs reactive measures.

 

[Warbler]

If you are granting a potential person rights, and in turn, removing an actual persons rights, then you value the potential over the actual.

I am saying the right to live perhaps outweighs the right to end a pregnancy that won't end up killing the woman.

life of mother > life of fetus

life of fetus > right to end pregnancy that would end in death of mother.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Umm....yeah....that's why the word "part" is used. It is literally PART of the mother and PART of the father.

So are you. Yet you are a separate lifeform from your parents.

OF COURSE I AM! I am both a part of my parents AND a separate human being/"lifeform" Have you seen me or anyone else arguing that point?

I can only conclude that, at this point, you are being intentionally obtuse.

So you think your mother owned you at one point? okay.

Did I not just say so?

 

[JoeMorgue]

The anti-woman side is just going to keep hate ******* the language until it says what they want it to say.

"Life" is a weasel term that doesn't mean the same thing in every context.

A cancer cell is "alive." Who cares if a fetus is or not?

A brain-dead coma victim is "human." Who cares if a zygote is or not?

"SO IS A FETUS ALIVE OR DEAD? HUMAN OR NOT? ANSWER THAT!"

No. It's a bad question. It's meaningless, vague, and doesn't mean anything.

Keep dishonestly using words in context they don't work in, it's such a compelling argument.

 

[Shalamar]

I am saying the right to live perhaps outweighs the right to end a pregnancy that won't end up killing the woman.

life of mother > life of fetus

life of fetus > right to end pregnancy that would end in death of mother.

It is still valuing the fetus over the woman, no matter the reason for termination.

 

[acbytesla]

Extensive, expansive, comprehensive sexual education classes in schools would be an excellent start.

Which is something conservatives don't want.

No. They want their children to be ignorant and just abstain from sex forever.
This is why the "abstinence only" education programs are a total failure and inherently dishonest. It's a bit like Al-anon's alcohol abuse program. Anyone who commits to remain sober is a success and anyone who fell off the wagon wasn't committed.

Both are circle jerks in that way.

 

[Warbler]

It is still valuing the fetus over the woman, no matter the reason for termination.

You are not listening and won't get it.

 

[Warbler]

OF COURSE I AM! I am both a part of my parents AND a separate human being/"lifeform" Have you seen me or anyone else arguing that point?

Well you did argue the the embryo/zygote was part of the mother and not a separate lifeform.

Did I not just say so?

well we will just have to disagree. I don't think your mother every owned you. She was mother, your parent, but not your owner.

 

[Shalamar]

You are not listening and won't get it.

I do get it. I'm not sure you understand.

You are valuing a potential person over that of actual person.

WHY does a fetus have rights over that of the woman?

 

[JoeMorgue]

"I want to punch you in the face."
"I don't want you to punch me in the face."
"Well, agree to disagree." *Punches you in the face.*

Y R U like this?

 

[Shalamar]

"I want to punch you in the face."
"I don't want you to punch me in the face."
"Well, agree to disagree." *Punches you in the face.*

Y R U like this?

"I think X should have more rights than Y"

"Why do you value X over Y?"

"I don't. I'm only saying that X should have rights, and not Y. Why do you not understand that I don't value one over the other, I just think one should have rights, and not the other."