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Texas bans abortion.

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Just keep coming up with new philosophical codewords for "I want woman to have babies they don't want to punish them for having sex" and ignoring everything else. It's such a compelling argument.
 
Warp12 said:
Let me put this simply:

When I gave a direct response to your question about the difference between abortion and other means of birth control, you disregarded it as a "troll" answer", it seems. Everyone obviously knows that conception is the difference, however. And that is the most direct answer I could possibly give.

Since that wasn't clear enough for you, I am not going to address your questions or statements here any further, right now. There is obviously no point in doing so.
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I'm getting the impression you are massively ignorant (or playing a character that is) of how many forms of birth control work and somehow think that's my problem.
 
cosmicaug said:
All I have seen you suggest is that if conception occurs, it should be carried to term because that is somehow "accountability" (in some manner which you have failed to explain despite repeated requests).
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Completely false.

I have stated repeatedly that the TX Law is too restrictive. That does not reconcile with your above statement about an insistence on "carrying to term".
 
Warp12 said:
Completely false.

I have stated repeatedly that the TX Law is too restrictive. That does not reconcile with your above statement about "carrying to term".
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"I've state repeatedly that water is wet, I'm just saying some people are saying it's too wet and want to argue with them and only them."
 
Warp12 said:
Completely false.

I have stated repeatedly that the TX Law is too restrictive. That does not reconcile with your above statement about an insistence on "carrying to term".
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Is this more trolling or are you now reconsidering early enough abortion as one possible means of accountability.
 
ponderingturtle said:
The first immortal line of human cells used for things like the development of the polio vaccine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa
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Very interesting. My mother died of cervical cancer, the same cancer HeLa died from. It was missed in her PAP tests, including the one she had just a couple months before being diagnosed with stage 4 cervical cancer.
 
cosmicaug said:
Is this more trolling or are you now reconsidering early enough abortion as one possible means of accountability.
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There is no reconsidering; I have maintained the same position. I understand that things "happen". There is no perfect birth control method, after all. However, promoting the idea that the level of accountability of an abortion is equal to say, actively using birth control, is ludicrous.

Promote a proactive approach, allow for a reactive scenario. The more you promote the proactive plan, the less the reactive one will need to be invoked.
 
So "You can get abortions, but feel really guilty about it because failed."

Yeah pass.

There's still no problem to be solved here. "Women get abortions more then I like" is not a problem.
 
Warp12 said:
There is no reconsidering; I have maintained the same position. I understand that things "happen". There is no perfect birth control method, after all. However, promoting the idea that the level of accountability of an abortion is equal to say, actively using birth control, is ludicrous.

Promote a proactive approach, allow for a reactive scenario. The more you promote the proactive plan, the less the reactive one will need to be invoked.
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Who here is against contraception? Who here has been suggested we should use less contraception because we need more abortions?

I have outright stated (either here or on the The Roe Countdown poll thread) that abortion is good and it is not even my position that we should have more abortion and less contraception (to be fair, I also don't think that there is some set number of abortions that is ideal such that fewer or too many is less so).

But yes, if you are pregnant, you are accountable for making choices. One of those choices is to terminate that pregnancy. I am not going to tell you what to do, either way. You are the one accountable. What actually is ludicrous is to suggest that accountability is more one choice than another choice. It is accountability as long as you are actively choosing (rather than just letting things happen).
 
Making abortions legal and accessible makes them go down.

This is one of those "facts" things.

There will be more abortions, not less, because of this law.

So none of the arguments for it pass the sniff test.
 
Warp12 said:
Why don't we start here:

What level of accountability do YOU think a woman has in the reproductive process? Is personal accountability even a factor in your mind? Should abortion be considered just another form of birth control?

Do we draw the line anywhere?
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I'll be happy to answer your questions if you answer mine. I asked you first, so fair is fair.
 
cosmicaug said:
What actually is ludicrous is to suggest that accountability is more one choice than another choice. It is accountability as long as you are actively choosing (rather than just letting things happen).
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Why not kill them at 5 years old? I mean accountability is accountability...no matter when you make the choice. Right? :thumbsup:
 
Paul2 said:
I'll be happy to answer your questions if you answer mine. I asked you first, so fair is fair.
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I already answered your first one...the one you subsequently deleted.

But, no worries. I am not inclined to write a response to questions that require me to create a legislative text.
 
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cosmicaug said:
Who here is against contraception? Who here has been suggested we should use less contraception because we need more abortions?

I have outright stated (either here or on the The Roe Countdown poll thread) that abortion is good and it is not even my position that we should have more abortion and less contraception (to be fair, I also don't think that there is some set number of abortions that is ideal such that fewer or too many is less so).

But yes, if you are pregnant, you are accountable for making choices. One of those choices is to terminate that pregnancy. I am not going to tell you what to do, either way. You are the one accountable. What actually is ludicrous is to suggest that accountability is more one choice than another choice. It is accountability as long as you are actively choosing (rather than just letting things happen).
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Exactly. It's not the woman choosing to terminate a pregnancy that is being unaccountable; it's the woman/girl who (usually) hides her pregnancy, gives birth and then either outright kills the newborn or abandons it in some dumpster or 7/11 bathroom.

Homicide is the 13th leading cause of death among infants (i.e., children aged <1 year) in the United States (1). Infant homicides occurring within the first 24 hours of life (i.e., neonaticide) are primarily perpetrated by the mother, who might be of young age, unmarried, have lower educational attainment, and is most likely associated with concealment of an unintended pregnancy and nonhospital birthing
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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939a1.htm
 
Warp12 said:
I already answered your first one...the one you subsequently deleted.

But, no worries. I am not inclined to write a response to questions that require me to create a legislative text.
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First, you can pick and choose whatever and how many combinations you desire; you don't have to write a bill.

Second, I asked you my question *before* you asked me yours. Take things in chronological sequence, that's the fair way, right?
 
And now we have to straighten out all the bad arguments, all the hijacks, all the nested debate to get back to the original wrong point.

As was the plan all along.

Women getting abortions isn't a problem to be solved. Everything else is a hijack.
 
Warp12 said:
There is no reconsidering; I have maintained the same position. I understand that things "happen". There is no perfect birth control method, after all. However, promoting the idea that the level of accountability of an abortion is equal to say, actively using birth control, is ludicrous.

Promote a proactive approach, allow for a reactive scenario. The more you promote the proactive plan, the less the reactive one will need to be invoked.
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Promoting a proactive approach is good.

But your "accountability" sounds like you want to make sure women aren't getting away with anything, to make sure they're seen as less respectable because they failed to be "accountable" according to your opinion.

Why is it you or anyone else should be involved in someone else's medical procedure? They aren't accountable to you, the government, or anyone else as long as they are not a public health threat. Let them confer with their medical personnel and make the best decision for them.
 
Paul2 said:
First, you can pick and choose whatever and how many combinations you desire; you don't have to write a bill.

Second, I asked you my question *before* you asked me yours. Take things in chronological sequence, that's the fair way, right?
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It is pointless to respond. Apparently nobody here can even grasp the concept of levels of accountability in even the most basic sense....and/or they avoid acknowledging the concept. Abortion and birth control are on the same level, around here.

They don't even seem to feel that a bigger focus should be on proactive action rather than reactive action. How do you debate such insanity?

They have a right to such opinions; I just don't happen to agree with them. You seem a reasonable person, and therefore I am pretty sure that you know that nobody is going to change anyone's mind, here. This is a forum of opinionated debate, not rational discussion.
 
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