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Texas bans abortion.

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cosmicaug said:
Accessibility is restricted enough that a black market for abortifacients already exists.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/the-rise-of-the-diy-abortion-in-texas/373240/
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That's an old article. Abortion medications are FDA-approved and available legally, even by mail, by prescription.
In the United States, where the abortifacients misoprostol and mifepristone have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration, abortions by pill made up more than a third of all abortions in 2017.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/14/abortion-pills-texas/
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill
https://www.fwhc.org/abortion/medical-ab.htm
https://aidaccess.org/
 
Bob001 said:
That's an old article. Abortion medications are FDA-approved and available legally, even by mail, by prescription.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/14/abortion-pills-texas/
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/the-abortion-pill
https://www.fwhc.org/abortion/medical-ab.htm
https://aidaccess.org/
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Getting a script remains a hurdle, doctors that write one are putting a target on their own back.

The benefit of the black market pill is that it's clandestine. Obviously there are risks with people self medicating, but taking the pill seems much safer than the back alley abortions of yesteryear.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Getting a script remains a hurdle, doctors that write one are putting a target on their own back.
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I don't know if that's true. The Post story says a third of abortions are conducted by medication. You can get a prescription on-line, and order the pills by mail. Some people might pass pills among themselves, but going through a few hoops has to be preferable to buying something questionable on the black market, which probably is a separate crime, at least in Texas.
https://aidaccess.org/
https://www.plancpills.org/guide-how-to-get-abortion-pills#find-pills
 
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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037...federal-judge-to-block-texas-new-abortion-ban

The Justice Department asked a federal judge in Texas to temporarily block enforcement of the state's new law that bans abortions after about six weeks.

This step, a major move by the Biden administration against the highly controversial law, follows a lawsuit filed by the Justice Department last week. The Biden administration asked the court late Tuesday to implement the preliminary injunction while the lawsuit plays out in federal court.
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Remember when year after year the GOP legislators kept introducing bills to end the ACA (Obama care) and they kept promising year after year that they had a better plan? Then when they finally had control of the votes needed to actually pass the revocation of the bill, suddenly their bluff had been called and they had no replacement plan after all?

Well guess what?

Why Republicans Are Scared of Texas’ New Abortion Ban

When the Supreme Court allowed Texas’ 6-week abortion law to stand earlier this month, it was presented as a major victory for anti-abortion conservatives. After all, Republican state legislators in deep red states have long been passing increasingly restrictive abortion laws, only to see many later get struck down in the courts. Finally, one law got through (at least for now).

But if it’s the victory conservatives were hoping for, why aren’t high-profile Republicans celebrating it? Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell — never one to shy away from a political fight — had only this to say about the Supreme Court’s ruling: “I think it was a highly technical decision.” Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee who oversees the platform for the party, was out within hours declaring that she would challenge the legality of President Joe Biden’s vaccine mandate, yet has been totally silent on the Texas abortion case — as well as the Biden Justice Department’s decision to challenge the law. Even most of Texas’ congressional delegation remained silent on the new abortion legislation.
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And why would that be?

For decades, Republican state lawmakers have been able to vote for and pass highly restrictive abortion laws without living through the political consequences, because the laws were typically enjoined by the courts before they ever took effect. The politicians got to check the pro-life box important to a segment of their voters without their constituents ever living under those strict laws. This kept the political backlash to their votes to a minimum.
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Sound familiar?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Remember when year after year the GOP legislators kept introducing bills to end the ACA (Obama care) and they kept promising year after year that they had a better plan? Then when they finally had control of the votes needed to actually pass the revocation of the bill, suddenly their bluff had been called and they had no replacement plan after all?

Well guess what?

Why Republicans Are Scared of Texas’ New Abortion Ban



And why would that be?



Sound familiar?
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Well, the real measure of victory is if there is less murders of babies. Forget the politics.
 
Warp12 said:
Well, the real measure of victory is if there is less murders of babies. Forget the politics.
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Way to miss the whole point of my post. :rolleyes:

TBH abortions are fewer when they are safe, legal and birth control is easily accessed by all income levels.
 
Warp12 said:
Well, the real measure of victory is if there is less murders of babies. Forget the politics.
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There won't be less abortions, just more out of state "My girlfriend/our daughter/my wife/ etc went to visit her aunt in CA" and back alley abortions that end up killing the mother because she can't go to the hospital when she starts hemorrhaging or goes septic for fear of some self-righteous Karen reporting her.

Since when did them being illegal stop them before R v W?
 
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Stacyhs said:
There won't be less abortions, just more out of state "My girlfriend/our daughter/my wife/ etc went to visit her aunt in CA" and back alley abortions that end up killing the mother because she can't go to the hospital when she starts hemorrhaging or goes septic for fear of some self-righteous Karen reporting her.
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If they can't abide by the law, they brought it on themselves. Plenty of proactive measures out there. Not so different from covid, tbh...personal accountability and common sense. Preach.
 
Warp12 said:
If they can't abide by the law, they brought it on themselves. Plenty of proactive measures out there. Not so different from covid, tbh...personal accountability and common sense. Preach.
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while getting COVID symptoms is a negative, there is nothing wrong with getting an abortion.
 
Warp12 said:
If they can't abide by the law, they brought it on themselves. Plenty of proactive measures out there. Not so different from covid, tbh...personal accountability and common sense. Preach.
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Right. You've never heard of stranger rape, incest, date rape, rohypnol, and birth control failure? Oh...bad, bad women! How DARE you not abide by the law!

 
What babies? No one is murdering babies. They're aborting a zygote which isn't the same no matter how much emotive language you use.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
What babies? No one is murdering babies. They're aborting a zygote which isn't the same no matter how much emotive language you use.
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I guess if you kill them soon enough, it hardly matters, right? After all, they are all "non-viable", by Dem account, at that point. :thumbsup:
 
They aren't killing babies. That you persist in claiming they are is irrelevant. A zygote, or even a foetus isn't a baby.
 
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