Texas bans abortion.

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I heard that on the second full moon of every month AOC hunts 2 year old for sport through the woods behind her house. She calls it "6th Trimester Abortion Day."
 
plague311 said:
It's comical because it never happens. Find me an example. Find me one ******* example of this ever happening.

You're bitching about something that never takes place and trying to use it as a a basis for your argument, and it's, frankly, a **** argument.
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There are thousands of late-term abortions annually. How many lawsuits are you expecting in TX? Go ahead, puff up your feathers.

At the end of the day, this thread is about whining over legislation, not results. So, if that is fair, it's ok to point out even more extreme legislation on the opposite end of the spectrum.
 
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Warp12 said:
Huh? Now that you have the clarification of my point, what are you arguing?

It was a debate of what could be considered "extreme".
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Not much of one.

Darat: The only extremists are those for no abortions.

You: *gasp* Just think of the horrors of full-term abortion being legal!!!

Me: That generally is legal, though, and in the rare cases that it is done, it's overwhelmingly for extremely good reasons like saving the life of the woman.

You: In some states, they aren't legally restricted to that!

Me: You're not addressing the actual point I just raised that demonstrates that what you actually said was utterly wrong.

And then we get to here where you're griping about how you would prefer that I just ignore you being utterly wrong, now that you tried to raise a completely different argument in response to that being demonstrated.

Whatever, moving on. In actual political practice, Darat is pretty much right, regardless. Not having legal restrictions on potential reasons for 3rd term abortions just isn't an actual extremist position, not least because of all the other restrictions that are in place. The mirror position for the forced birth extremists would actually be forced abortion extremists, and, while those people certainly seem to exist (especially when it comes to being in favor of forced abortions of disliked groups), they are not a meaningful political force in the present day.
 
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Aridas said:
Not much of one.

Darat: The only extremists are those for no abortions.

You: *gasp* Just think of the horrors of full-term abortion being legal!!!

Me: That generally is legal, though, and in the rare cases that it is done, it's overwhelmingly for extremely good reasons like saving the life of the woman.

You: In some states, they aren't legally restricted to that!

Me: You're not addressing the actual point I just raised that demonstrates that what you actually said was utterly wrong.

And then we get to here where you're griping about how you would prefer that I just ignore you being utterly wrong, now that you tried to raise a completely different argument in response to that being demonstrated.

Whatever, moving on. In actual political practice, Darat is pretty much right, regardless. Not having legal restrictions on potential reasons for 3rd term abortions just isn't an actual extremist position, not least because of all the other restrictions that are in place. The mirror position for the forced birth extremists would actually be forced abortion extremists, and, while those people certainly seem to exist (especially when it comes to being in favor of forced abortions of disliked groups), they are not a meaningful political force in the present day.
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Yawn. Some serious swinging here. I hope it doesn't break Darat's back.

He can probably respond for himself.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
what do you call a third trimester abortion?

birth


That's why Trump and others told lies about doctors killing newborns
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Just to be clear, IIRC, they weren't making a fuss over birth. They were making a big fuss over fetuses that could be birthed, but wouldn't survive for, say, more than a few hours or days and likely would be suffering quite a lot during that time. That's a horrific position for prospective parents to be in in the first place. That some prospective parents would choose an abortion to specifically spare the baby an extremely short life filled with suffering is a reasonable and understandable choice, albeit a deeply painful one.
 
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Warp12 said:
There are thousands of late-term abortions annually. How many lawsuits are you expecting in TX? Go ahead, puff up your feathers.
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That's not the claim. The claim is that women WANT to have those abortions due to not wanting the baby. That's what you're implying, and it's clear from your statements. So either put up, or admit you're wrong. Either is fine with me.

Warp12 said:
At the end of the day, this thread is about whining over legislation, not results. So, if that is fair, it's ok to point out even more extreme legislation on the opposite end of the spectrum.
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If that's how you rationalize what you say, go on. That's not what this thread is "whining about" anymore than you're nonsensical "trump or covid" thread is "whining" about claimed TDS.

This thread is about a ridiculous law being passed, without any criminal teeth to it, in order to harass women who seek medical guidance.
 
Again this is all a "LOOKIT ME DANCING FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM THE ISSUE! DARE YOU TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP ME! LOL I'M IN YOUR HEAD RENT FREE" red herring.

By no logic or argument is an abortion a 6 weeks "late term" which is what the law in Texas is about.

Which is why the people defending it are talking about something else so they can pretend they aren't defending it.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Again this is all a "LOOKIT ME DANCING FARTHER AND FARTHER AWAY FROM THE ISSUE! DARE YOU TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP ME! LOL I'M IN YOUR HEAD RENT FREE" red herring.

By no logic or argument is an abortion a 6 weeks "late term" which is what the law in Texas is about.

Which is why the people defending it are talking about something else so they can pretend they aren't defending it.
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I think you should read back, to get some more context. Nobody said 6 weeks was "late term". I think that limitation is ridiculous, because a lot of women don't even know they are pregnant, then.
 
I mean, look at other countries.

Here in the Netherlands where abortion is legal women are lining up to have sex, carry a baby till 3d term and then have abortions. After all, it's more convenient than doing so early in case birth control failed.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
I mean, look at other countries.

Here in the Netherlands where abortion is legal women are lining up to have sex, carry a baby till 3d term and then have abortions. After all, it's more convenient than doing so early in case birth control failed.
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But, that's just the way of your people. I guess.

This thread is about the US, and Texas law.
 
plague311 said:
It means that nobody ever fights to have an abortion full-term. If they are having a full-term abortion it is easily the most tragic, terrible, heartbreaking decision they will ever have to make in their entire lives. No one carries a ******* baby to the 3rd trimester and then thinks "this isn't for me". The idea is asinine.
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So why would anyone care if it were hard to get a late term abortion except for those rare and tragic cases?
 
Warp12 said:
But, that's just the way of your people. I guess.

This thread is about the US, and Texas law.
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Exactly, why look at other countries to see if the nonsense that is used to justify that law actually takes place?

It's better to prevent something that never happens than actually allowing women choice.
 
Warp12 said:
As opposed to those who we deem to be rapists, without the need for prosecution? :confused:
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If you think non-consensual sex isn't rape unless a rapist is prosecuted and convicted, you live in a sick fantasyland. For multiple well-established reasons, a majority of sexual assaults are never reported to the police. That doesn't mean they didn't happen.
 
ahhell said:
So why would anyone care if it were hard to get a late term abortion except for those rare and tragic cases?
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Because if you give the anti-abortion side a finger they are going to demand the whole fist.

Here's the issue. One side can't compromise by definition.

If abortion is murder and a fetus is a human being... how do you halfway that? How do you grant exceptions?

Their stance doesn't make any sense outside of absolutionism (that needs to be a word.)

"It's murder, but okay we'll compromise in certain situations" is a non-sequitur.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This is so goddamn pathetic.

Why in discourse do we let someone who literally making stuff up dictate the course of the discussion to us?

Now we have to sit here and jump through hoops proving to him that something that he already damn well knows doesn't happen doesn't happen just to get us back to the original discussion, which he was already totally wrong about.

We spend so much time dragging discussions back to "Okay here's the original wrong point you were already proven wrong on before you went of running drunk and naked through a dozen unrelated hijacks you made us walk you back from" just to get back to the original stupidity we were arguing about in the first place.

Weaponized fractal wrongness. The one man Gish gallop. The word can't say on this board because it doesn't exist because we have to pretend we can't define it.
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Thank you. Not only do I agree, you have saved me time and energy expressing my frustration at this continuing nonsense. :thumbsup:
 
S now a Trumper is trying to explain why non consenual sex is not rape.
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