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Cont: Texas bans abortion. Part 2

The Abortion Backup Plan No One Is Talking About

So many states have restricted access to abortion so severely that people in large swaths of the country feel they have no options if they want to terminate a pregnancy. But technically, those who want an abortion still have options. It’s just that few have heard of them.


Pregnant people in Texas, or in any other U.S. state, can visit an array of websites that will mail them two pills—mifepristone and misoprostol—that will induce a miscarriage when used in the first trimester of pregnancy and possibly even later. The so-called self-managed abortion is therefore an option at least six weeks further into a pregnancy than the controversial new Texas law’s six-week “heartbeat” cutoff for an abortion at a clinic. Though people in other states have several websites to choose from, Texans can visit Aid Access, a website that provides the pills for $105 or less based on income.


Only 5 percent of Americans have heard of Aid Access, though, and only 13 percent have heard of Plan C, a website that provides information on different mail-order-abortion services by state, according to a new Atlantic/Leger poll. Some people may vaguely know that medication abortions exist, but don’t know the names of the organizations that mail them. However, most poll respondents said that they weren’t aware of any backup options for abortion if a clinic is not accessible. The poll surveyed a representative sample of 1,001 adults across the country from September 24 to September 26, and its results mirror my experiences interviewing two dozen random young Texans recently: None had heard of Aid Access, and the few who had heard of Plan C were confusing it with Plan B, the morning-after pill.


The results also jibe with the experiences of Plan C’s founders. Though they’ve seen a large increase in web traffic, particularly from Texas, since Texas’s abortion restrictions went into effect, “we know that the biggest challenge is to try to get this word out,” says Francine Coeytaux, one of the site’s co-founders. The doctor behind Aid Access, Rebecca Gomperts, told me that according to her own research, 60 percent of her clients did not know about abortion pills before they found her service.
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cosmicaug said:
The Abortion Backup Plan No One Is Talking About
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This needs to be advertised widely (especially in Texas) and nationally.

Television and Radio ads, billboards, full page newspaper advertisements (of course, some media outlets won't run such ads, and some local authorities won't give permits for such billboards, but enough will that it won't really matter).

Planned Parenthood might be able to fund it through a fundraising drive such as GoFundMe.
 
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Warp12 said:
I sure hope it doesn't lead to more responsible use of birth control. Of course, people are probably getting pregnant by drinking the water, anyway.
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I.see you're back to blaming people for having sex again. Generally people are very responsible. The idea that they're not is a myth perpetuated by prudes and people that are too ugly to find a partner who will engage with sex with them.

The world shouldn't be run by these pathetic individuals.
 
acbytesla said:
I.see you're back to blaming people for having sex again. Generally people are very responsible. The idea that they're not is a myth perpetuated by prudes and people that are too ugly to find a partner who will engage with sex with them.

The world shouldn't be run by these pathetic individuals.
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The CDC says the majority of abortions are caused by lack of, or improper use of birth control.
 
Fringe reset, take a shot.

Abortion is birth control. Already discussed. Don't pretend otherwise.
 
Warp12 said:
The CDC says the majority of abortions are caused by lack of, or improper use of birth control.
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No, abortions are caused by drugs or D&Cs.

Pregnancies are caused by sex.
 
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Elind said:
Yes, I apologize. I posted without quoting the comment I replied to which said that there are no Democrats opposing vaccination.
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Which is fair. Democrats have had some anti-vaxxers for a long time, in varying proportions. As have Republicans. To poke at a couple snapshots pre-covid...


For a Gallop question about whether vaccines are more dangerous than the disease they're for -

2001 4% Dem, 8% Ind, 6% Rep
2015 9% Dem, 8% Ind, 7% Rep
2019 7% Dem, 14% Ind, 13% Rep

So... there was already fertile ground to work with on the Republican side as their propagandists do what they do.

Numbers for lesser things like believing in a connection between autism and vaccines are notably higher, too.

The vaccine question is now openly being politicized, unfortunately, Republican numbers seem to be skyrocketing, at least in relation to covid vaccines, and I suppose that we'll see how much that has an effect on more general stances as time goes on. As for the question of how prevalent claiming contradictory principles in regards to anti-abortion and anti-vax is, however, I don't think I've seen any evidence opposing psion10's observation that that's overwhelmingly a Republican (and perhaps strongly Republican-leaning independent) thing.
 
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Aridas said:
Which is fair. Democrats have had some anti-vaxxers for a long time, in varying proportions. As have Republicans. To poke at a couple snapshots pre-covid...


For a Gallop question about whether vaccines are more dangerous than the disease they're for -

2001 4% Dem, 8% Ind, 6% Rep
2015 9% Dem, 8% Ind, 7% Rep
2019 7% Dem, 14% Ind, 13% Rep

So... there was already fertile ground to work with on the Republican side as their propagandists do what they do.

Numbers for lesser things like believing in a connection between autism and vaccines are notably higher, too.

The vaccine question is now openly being politicized, unfortunately, Republican numbers seem to be skyrocketing, at least in relation to covid vaccines, and I suppose that we'll see how much that has an effect on more general stances as time goes on. As for the question of how prevalent claiming contradictory principles in regards to anti-abortion and anti-vax is, however, I don't think I've seen any evidence opposing psion10's observation that that's overwhelmingly a Republican (and perhaps strongly Republican-leaning independent) thing.
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I'm afraid that Trumpism has now made this anti vaccine a political norm. In the future we will see major opposition to routine childhood vaccination and constant social conflict as a result, if not resurgence of diseases that were only a memory before the GOP died.
 
psionl0 said:
Wouldn't abortion pill suppliers also be covered under the Texan law?
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Texas Law only applies in, err, Texas.

A supplier in another state, e.g. California or New York or Nevada, is not subject to Texas Law. Ron DeSantis found that out whet he tried to bring in a law to prosecute Facebook for banning the accounts of his fellow conservatives - Facebook told him to **** off! So did the Federal Judge who blocked the Law

Maybe they could sue the postman or the courier driver :rolleyes:
 
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smartcooky said:
Texas Law only applies in, err, Texas.

A supplier in another state, e.g. California or New York or Nevada, is not subject to Texas Law. Ron DeSantis found that out whet he tried to bring in a law to prosecute Facebook for banning the accounts of his fellow conservatives - Facebook told him to **** off! So did the Federal Judge who blocked the Law

Maybe they could sue the postman or the courier driver :rolleyes:
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It's good to know that there are no extraditions in Texas but since this is basically a civil law, the boundaries need to be tested.
 
psionl0 said:
It's good to know that there are no extraditions in Texas....
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Here some of the things you haven't thought of...

1. To be even considered for extradition to Texas, you have to break a Texas Law... while in Texas. For a business, they have to have at least a branch of that business trading in Texas, and that's for a criminal case.

2. For a civil case, it gets even harder; it becomes a question of standing as well as law. Lets say "Abortions-R-Us.com" is a California based internet business selling abortion pills on line to customers all over the USA. It has no other branches or subsidiaries anywhere in the USA, and they have sold to a customer in Dallas.

a. A person living in Texas files a law suit - they don't live in California, so they don't have standing - it will get thrown out.

b. A person living in California files a law suit - OK, they might have standing, but Abortions-R-Us are not breaking any California laws - it will get thrown out

c. A person living in any other state, say, New York, files a law suit - they don't live in California , so they don't have standing - it will get thrown out.​

3. There is also another big fly in the ointment - any court case, no matter where filed, will be heard by a California State Court because that is where the defendant is based. This is something Trump has been bleating about in his lawsuit against Twitter/Facebook to get his accounts back. He is trying to get the venue changed to Florida, where he has nice friendly, conservative Trump-appointed judges, but because Twitter/Facebook are based in California, the cases will be heard there.

4. Finally, if a person could sue a company in another state for providing abortion pills to Texas women, why could they not also could sue a company in another state for performing abortions for Texas women?

psionl0 said:
..but since this is basically a civil law, the boundaries need to be tested.
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No, the boundaries don't need testing, the law needs to be smashed down ruthlessly and irrevocably!
 
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