Terrorist Organization Assaults Amish Farmers Over Milk Production

randman said:
Amen. Libs, secularists and many dems appear to have no concept that our rights are above the law in the sense that they are God-given and any law that removes them is unConstitutional and does not have legit authority. They have no sense that government is for and by the people. In other words, the people themselves are the higher authority (besides God) that the government answers to, not that we are here to serve the government.
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On what do you base this absurd claim? I myself have advocated democracy as the best possible form of government. What do you want me to say or do to show my commitment to the people?
 
I have no issue if someone wants to make a case that some foodstuff or substance that is regulated shouldn't be regulated.

It just seems comical to me that people should claim that the regulation of a partcular food is some sinister conspiracy by Obama, Democrats, liberals, left-wingers etc etc.
 
michaelsuede said:
Good thing they can be prosecuted with fraud laws (which require no financial regulations).
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And exactly who is going to formulate, codify and enact these laws you rely on? And who will research, chase and arrest violators for you? And will see see they get a fair trial and not strung up by some vigilante action?

Hint for the slow learner: The answers are (1) governments, (2) police, and (3) the courts.

This all assumes you didn't die from their carelessness and greed.
 
The_Animus said:
So you are for the government making it illegal to produce/sell alcohol and tobacco in order to protect people from alcohol or carcinogenic poisoning?
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I am in favor of alcohol and tobacco being regulated, yes. I think they are as a matter of fact.

Now, here's a parallel that works. Require milk to be pasteurized. That's a regulation you might say is equivalent to standards for manufacture of alcohol and cigarettes -- for instance, there are several states that have laws regarding FourLoco and other alcoholic beverages with caffeine. Cigarettes, as far as I know, are also highly regulated.

No one really said we should stop selling milk. I think the argument was whether the FDA should have the ability (and responsibility) to regulate how milk is prepared for sale as a food. There is another agency that regulates the sale of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. If any of those becomes a foodstuff, I suppose the FDA will regulate it as well.

There are examples of this. At one time PETN (a high explosive) was marketed as a heart medication in the US. It was simultaneously handled as an explosive (ATF) and as a medicinal (FDA) depending on use. I imagine nitroglycerin still is.

So yeah. Milk should be regulated. Are you guys going to get in a huff because there are dry cities in Alaska or dry counties in other states? Should they be able to sell alcohol in those jurisdictions under the same logic as the Amish milk sales?
 
KoihimeNakamura said:
Consistancy is the hobgoblin of little minds~
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Ah, Emerson, so misunderstood:

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

Since I obviously have nothing to say, great or otherwise, I'm gonna take you to an Amish paradise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg

warning: hideous awful advertisement with loud volume at first, just turn off sound for the first 15 seconds
 
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michaelsuede said:
In case you missed it, there were millions of food borne illnesses transmitted by bad food people sold to each other last year.

Regulations do not prevent anything - EVER.

The people who get sick can sue the people who sold them bad food. This does not require regulation of the food markets to accomplish.
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Remember when we were talking about purposeful poisoning, and how your system would have no way to avoid it? Those were good times, how about sticking to the real topic you don't understand, versus just flailing around trying to seem like your making a point?

A bad egg, is completely different from a purposely poisoned egg. You don't seem to understand this, yet you seem to think you understand law well enough that you should re write it. Odd logic to say the least.
 
The_Animus said:
Why is the sale of raw milk illegal, but the sale of alcohol and tobacco is not?
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Because alcohol and tobacco have to follow GMP , meaning they have to be up to a certain standard for sale, so i don't take a sip of Jagermeister and go blind.

Raw milk by its very definition would not be able to be held up to GMP in any reasonable way. It is like asking why guns are illegal, but Zip guns arn't.
 
The_Animus said:
So you are for the government making it illegal to produce/sell alcohol and tobacco in order to protect people from alcohol or carcinogenic poisoning?
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No. I would have no problem with tobacco being outlawed. I would be against the outlawing or alcohol, and do not see how that would be analogous with what we are discussing.
 
And a skilled impressionist listening to everything as a tape recorder.
"Are you saying we were raided by Eric Cartman and Yoda?"
"... those are the only impressions I can do."
"And how do we even know who Cartman and Yoda ARE? Man, we're the worst Amish ever."
 
Sledge said:
And a skilled impressionist listening to everything as a tape recorder.
"Are you saying we were raided by Eric Cartman and Yoda?"
"... those are the only impressions I can do."
"And how do we even know who Cartman and Yoda ARE? Man, we're the worst Amish ever."
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What goes "clop, clop, clop, bang, bang, clop, clop, clop."??

An Amish drive-by shooting!
 
CptColumbo said:
Wait a minute...An Amish farmer had a video camera in his store?
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Actually, that might not be too surprising. Amish are capable of using technology when the situation requires it - milk production requires refrigeration, for example, if they plan to market it.*


* A friend in my reenactment unit works as an electrician in Lancaster county and has 'caught' several farmers running wires from the milk production to their farmhouse. "Not for me to judge", as he says, "but that might just be the reason your dairy's circuit breaker keeps popping".
 
michaelsuede said:
It doesn't matter if the Amish get up at 3:00, 5:00, or high noon. Armed men barging on to your private property demanding to inspect everything is violation of human rights.
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Not if that have this little piece of paper called a warrant........
 
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