Terrorist Attack in Vetlanda, Sweden

[Vixen]

So a man in his twenties has been shot and arrested after allegedly stabbing eight people, some of them in critical condition. It was originally thought to be an ordinary attack, with reports of a man 'with an axe'.

Several people were attacked on Wednesday with a shelter in Vetlanda.

Eight people must be affected - according to Ekot , several people are seriously injured.

The police are investigating the incident as a suspected terrorist crime.

A suspected perpetrator in his 20s was shot by the police in connection with the arrest and has been taken to hospital with unclear injuries.

- Our preliminary investigation leader has decided that it should be classified as a terrorist crime, says Thomas Agnevik, press spokesperson for Police Region East.

Expressen.se -Google translate.

View of the perp here:

https://twitter.com/News_Executive/status/1367179140605042689?s=20

 

[Vixen]

Further details:

Police received an alert at the scene shortly before 3pm local time. The first patrol was present about 15 minutes later and quickly caught the suspect. The motive for the act is unknown and the suspect has not yet been heard. Police have also not sharpened what kind of weapon the perpetrator used. Police spokesman Thomas Agnevik tells Aftonbladet that the suspect has been in contact with the police in the past. Swedish security police Säpo are also participating in the investigation into the attack.

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[Emily's Cat]

I hope we get more information.

 

[Vixen]

This I don't understand. It's not like any of us need more information. There's literally nothing about this story that affects us in any way, except as a brief distraction from our actual daily lives, or some form of lurid titillation.

We were all fine not knowing this even happened. We'll all be fine if we never learn another thing about it. The authorities in Vetlanda, Sweden probably need more information. The residents of that community probably need more information. The rest of us, not so much.

I dunno. It is worrying because there was a similar attack in Turku in 2017. I had been there just the day before with my elderly parents and shudder to think if the terrorist had been there a day earlier. He is now doing life, which here in Europe means just 14 years, usually, with 2/3 parole.

A common factor in the attacks in Finland - usually against girlfriends or children in custody battles - is that the authorities are giving fewer and fewer asylum seekers permission to stay. Something seems to snap when they get rejected. One such asylum seeker reject savagely butchered his girlfriend. And there are two other horrifying cases of children being killed in revenge for these decisions. Obviously, terrorism is a heinous act. What I am looking at here is the emotional spark that sets off the vicious attack. Regarding Vetlanda, police are saying that this guy is known to him. This echoes the killer of three guys in England last year whilst they were enjoying a picnic. The attacker, a 25-year-old Libyan, got a whole life sentence.

There needs to be urgent research in factors trigger these killings. IIRC the Libyan, above, was also under threat of deportation, so maybe the governments need to find a solution that is more tactful than blunt deportation as it seems to cause a nervous breakdown in these guys. They all seem to be around the mid-20's as well, as in France.

Something positive has got to be done.

 

[Emily's Cat]

This I don't understand. It's not like any of us need more information. There's literally nothing about this story that affects us in any way, except as a brief distraction from our actual daily lives, or some form of lurid titillation.

We were all fine not knowing this even happened. We'll all be fine if we never learn another thing about it. The authorities in Vetlanda, Sweden probably need more information. The residents of that community probably need more information. The rest of us, not so much.

I'm curious, nothing more. I'm interested in what the motivation was, particular what makes it an act of terrorism as opposed to a madman or an act of mass violence.

Also, if I post in this thread it shows up in my subscriptions so I will know if more information comes out in the future.

 

[Brainster]

I dunno. It is worrying because there was a similar attack in Turku in 2017. I had been there just the day before with my elderly parents and shudder to think if the terrorist had been there a day earlier. He is now doing life, which here in Europe means just 14 years, usually, with 2/3 parole.

A common factor in the attacks in Finland - usually against girlfriends or children in custody battles - is that the authorities are giving fewer and fewer asylum seekers permission to stay. Something seems to snap when they get rejected. One such asylum seeker reject savagely butchered his girlfriend. And there are two other horrifying cases of children being killed in revenge for these decisions. Obviously, terrorism is a heinous act. What I am looking at here is the emotional spark that sets off the vicious attack. Regarding Vetlanda, police are saying that this guy is known to him. This echoes the killer of three guys in England last year whilst they were enjoying a picnic. The attacker, a 25-year-old Libyan, got a whole life sentence.

There needs to be urgent research in factors trigger these killings. IIRC the Libyan, above, was also under threat of deportation, so maybe the governments need to find a solution that is more tactful than blunt deportation as it seems to cause a nervous breakdown in these guys. They all seem to be around the mid-20's as well, as in France.

Something positive has got to be done.

Stop deporting asylum seekers. I don't see any other solution.

 

[theprestige]

Stop deporting asylum seekers. I don't see any other solution.

I see at least one other solution: deport all the asylum seekers, and don't admit any new ones.

 

[theprestige]

The whole concept is stupid anyway. Help them reclaim their homeland. Or annex it, if your system is so much better. Sweden governing Syria under a UN mandate is probably a much better proposition all around, than Syrian refugees living in Sweden.

 

[Venom]

There needs to be urgent research in factors trigger these killings. IIRC the Libyan, above, was also under threat of deportation, so maybe the governments need to find a solution that is more tactful than blunt deportation as it seems to cause a nervous breakdown in these guys. They all seem to be around the mid-20's as well, as in France.

Something positive has got to be done.

Nervous breakdown? If it's that then it's not terrorism.

I think there could be different things going on I don't know that it's fair to group them all together, foreigner or not. The men trying to send a message to the government or citizenry would get the most scrutiny.

 

[Vixen]

Stop deporting asylum seekers. I don't see any other solution.

The truck driver who ran over several people in Stockholm a few years ago, killing five, including a sweet nine-year-old girl, was a failed asylum seeker. So obviously being denied residence triggered something horrible and vicious in the brains of these traumatised war-torn people.

 

[Vixen]

I see at least one other solution: deport all the asylum seekers, and don't admit any new ones.

That would contravene international law. People must be able to escape danger.

 

[Vixen]

The whole concept is stupid anyway. Help them reclaim their homeland. Or annex it, if your system is so much better. Sweden governing Syria under a UN mandate is probably a much better proposition all around, than Syrian refugees living in Sweden.

Denmark this week in the news has now declared Damascus safe to return to and is recommending its temporary Syrian residence permit holders to return there.

We had some Iraqi (or was it Iranian) asylum seekers in Finland a few years back who couldn't wait to leave the country claiming it was 'too cold' for them. On arriving back in their own supposedly 'dangerous' country, they kissed the ground, praising the hot sunshine. Cheeky sods!

 

[timhau]

I dunno. It is worrying because there was a similar attack in Turku in 2017. I had been there just the day before with my elderly parents and shudder to think if the terrorist had been there a day earlier. He is now doing life, which here in Europe means just 14 years, usually, with 2/3 parole.

Actually, life means life, but in practice most life-termers get parole after 14 - 16 years. It's not a given, but it's very rare for anyone to spend 20 years behind bars (although it does happen).

 

[theprestige]

That would contravene international law. People must be able to escape danger.

International law isn't a thing. Swedish law is a thing, but the Swedes are a sovereign people and can change their laws any time they want.

Also, Sweden does not owe it to the world to be the world's escape hatch.

Also, it's not true that people must be able to escape danger. Some danger is inescapable. Some people are incapable of escaping it. There is no moral law that says that people must be free from danger, or that they must be able to escape it at someone else's expense.

 

[Brainster]

The truck driver who ran over several people in Stockholm a few years ago, killing five, including a sweet nine-year-old girl, was a failed asylum seeker. So obviously being denied residence triggered something horrible and vicious in the brains of these traumatised war-torn people.

Once they're there the options seem to be deport them or keep them. What's the middle ground between those two? Let them stay but lock them up?

 

[zooterkin]

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Thank you.

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[TurkeysGhost]

I see at least one other solution: deport all the asylum seekers, and don't admit any new ones.

The history of not accepting war refugees is generally one seen as regrettable. Nobody wants to be the next country turning back German Jews to the gas chambers.

 

[theprestige]

The history of not accepting war refugees is generally one seen as regrettable. Nobody wants to be the next country turning back German Jews to the gas chambers.

The final solution to that particular problem was to mount up, barge into Germany, smash the camps, take over the country, and impose martial law on its people until they could be made fit once again for sovereign self-governance.

That seems to be the most effective long-term solution, when it's done ruthlessly and thoroughly. The Bush administration tried to do it in Iraq, but the stomach for doing a thorough job wasn't there, neither in the international community, nor within the US government itself.

Nobody wants to be the next country turning back Jews to the gas chambers, but everybody wants to be the next country that allows those chambers to continue their grisly work, as long as they get credit for housing the lucky few who manage to escape.

Let's be honest: If Nazi Germany hadn't invaded Poland (and had survived Stalin's inevitable aggression), the Third Reich would be alive and well and gassing undesirables today. And we'd be patting ourselves on the back for taking in the few that somehow got out.

In fact, that's what happened with the Soviet Union. It's what's happening with China and North Korea right now. It's understandable that we allow it to happen in places that are protected by nuclear weapons. But it's happening in a lot of places where we could absolutely make it stop happening, if we really wanted to.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The final solution to that particular problem was to mount up, barge into Germany, smash the camps, take over the country, and impose martial law on its people until they could be made fit once again for sovereign self-governance.

That seems to be the most effective long-term solution, when it's done ruthlessly and thoroughly. The Bush administration tried to do it in Iraq, but the stomach for doing a thorough job wasn't there, neither in the international community, nor within the US government itself.

Nobody wants to be the next country turning back Jews to the gas chambers, but everybody wants to be the next country that allows those chambers to continue their grisly work, as long as they get credit for housing the lucky few who manage to escape.

Let's be honest: If Nazi Germany hadn't invaded Poland (and had survived Stalin's inevitable aggression), the Third Reich would be alive and well and gassing undesirables today. And we'd be patting ourselves on the back for taking in the few that somehow got out.

In fact, that's what happened with the Soviet Union. It's what's happening with China and North Korea right now. It's understandable that we allow it to happen in places that are protected by nuclear weapons. But it's happening in a lot of places where we could absolutely make it stop happening, if we really wanted to.

Agreed completely. But it still means that denying all refugees is an unlikely solution, or at least one with a certain amount of deep unpopularity.

 

[theprestige]

Agreed completely. But it still means that denying all refugees is an unlikely solution, or at least one with a certain amount of deep unpopularity.

I'm probably not making enough of an effort to increase the popularity of military occupation, sweeping reform, and eventual repatriation of all refugees to their homeland.

The way I see it, there should be two categories of refugees here:

Those Who Cannot Fight. The weak. The young, the elderly, the infirm. These should absolutely be taken in as a humanitarian imperative. They should be taken in and cared for until such time as their homeland can be returned to them, and they to it.

Freedom Fighters. Anyone who is willing and able to take up arms for the restoration of their homeland should do so. They should absolutely be taken in as a humanitarian imperative. They should be taken in and trained, equipped, and fully supported in their fight to restore their homeland, and to make a fit home for all those who left it to seek refuge elsewhere.

That's it. Any healthy young Syrian who would rather live in Sweden should apply for immigration in the usual way, with all the usual requirements and restrictions. Or they should apply to a refugee program that is aimed directly at getting them back to Syria sooner rather than later, and by the force of their own agency as much as practical.