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Terror attack in Wisconsin

Bogative said:
in the red Ford Escape.
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Sometimes the simulation includes these little jokes.

Fleeing a pursuit and then finding yourself in the middle of a parade is the stuff of movies. Parade-goers are supposed to help the suspect get away.
 
Because at this point we don't know the driver or the motivation (ETA: Bogative supplied some information half an hour before I wrote this, but I had preloaded the window earlier and didn't see it) if this was a deliberate attack (as opposed to a very unfortunate and unusual mishap) I condemn it. I don't care if the driver:
  • is a hard right Trump-worshiping, Qanon believing whacko,
  • is a gun-toting, abortion banning climate-change denier,
  • is a soft conservative espousing smaller government and fiscal prudence,
  • is a soft liberal in favour of gun control, abortion rights who recycles aluminum,
  • is a "ban all guns and the government while we're at it" libertarian,
  • or is a far-left committed Marxist intent on bringing down the government through violence
To emphasize, if this is a deliberate attack, there is no excuse for it. I don't care if the person who did it shares all my beliefs (save for being willing to run a vehicle into a crowd of people) or is the polar opposite of me in every way. This sort of violence is reprehensible and has no place in a civilized society.
 
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I think the reports of the person of interest shooting a gun from inside the car suggest pretty strongly that it was a deliberate attack.
 
arthwollipot said:
I think the reports of the person of interest shooting a gun from inside the car suggest pretty strongly that it was a deliberate attack.
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Without doubt.

Almost certainly a terrorist attack if one accepts the standard definition of terrorism.

Theprestige’s reaction to an accurate report, trying, in my view, to minimise the attack, is disgusting. Breathtakingly so.
 
arthwollipot said:
I think the reports of the person of interest shooting a gun from inside the car suggest pretty strongly that it was a deliberate attack.
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Those reports are evidently false. The available video evidence (so far) does not support gunshots being fired during the incident.

At a news conference, the police chief said that an officer had fired a shot at the vehicle at one point while trying to stop it, but that there was no evidence that the person driving the vehicle had fired a gun at any point.
 
Checkmite said:
Those reports are evidently false. The available video evidence (so far) does not support gunshots being fired during the incident.

At a news conference, the police chief said that an officer had fired a shot at the vehicle at one point while trying to stop it, but that there was no evidence that the person driving the vehicle had fired a gun at any point.
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Who gives a ****. Do you not accept that the driver deliberately drove into people? The gunshot allegation means nothing in this undeniable reality.
 
lionking said:
Who gives a ****. Do you not accept that the driver deliberately drove into people? The gunshot allegation means nothing in this undeniable reality.
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Deliberately as in this was a planned attack? No.

IMO, there's 3 possible situations.

1. Planned attack. I'm not convinced of that yet, but it's possible.
2. Really drunk, unable to comprehend what was going on, and just drove into people when he couldn't avoid them anymore. Similar to a drunk person driving the wrong way on a highway.
3. Fleeing from something else, got stuck at the parade and took the risk of trying to drive through it and avoided people as best he could (or just didnt care) until he couldn't anymore.
 
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lionking said:
Without doubt.



Almost certainly a terrorist attack if one accepts the standard definition of terrorism.



Theprestige’s reaction to an accurate report, trying, in my view, to minimise the attack, is disgusting. Breathtakingly so.
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What standard definition are you referring to?
 
Reports now say police believe the person was fleeing from another incident.

So getaway gone really, really, like couldn't have gone worse, wrong.

The indications are the Waukesha suspect was fleeing another incident when he drove into the parade route, according to multiple law enforcement sources familiar with the preliminary investigation findings.
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CNN: (Stupid "updating news" page so I can't link directly to it)
 
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lionking said:
Without doubt.

Almost certainly a terrorist attack if one accepts the standard definition of terrorism.

Theprestige’s reaction to an accurate report, trying, in my view, to minimise the attack, is disgusting. Breathtakingly so.
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Isn't a terror attack normally defined as having a political or social goal? This one seems like one random sicko.
 
Thermal said:
This one seems like one random sicko.
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I'm not sure if you could even call it that. Random sicko, to me, would be him intentionally targeting the people without any real political or social goals. Thus far, we haven't seen much that shows this to be a targeted attack and rumors have been indicating he was trying to flee a different crime.

If that is indeed the case, rather than "random sicko" I'd call it "stupid, selfish bastard".
 
I suspect that whatever situation brought him there / caused him to be fleeing, it was his hatred of white people that played at least a significant role in his final decision to plow into them.
 
So all you wonderful people who are more concerned that the horrible act is properly categorized... why are you like that?
 
JoeMorgue said:
So all you wonderful people who are more concerned that the horrible act is properly categorized... why are you like that?
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For the same reason we would question why you call a car a motorcycle.

Words have meanings. Why choose semi-random ones to express a thought?
 
JoeMorgue said:
So all you wonderful people who are more concerned that the horrible act is properly categorized... why are you like that?
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Maybe because that is at the very core of trying to understand what happened and why it happened?

Just a guess on my part there, though.....
 
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