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Terri Schiavo

It's lunch time for me, and I came to a computer to take a quick peek. Has anyone posted a site that shows Terri in her hospital bed?...how she looks TODAY?

Last night on CNN, they showed her. Her eyes are open and she looks at people and appears to be moving her lips as if she is trying to say sopmething! And this woman is flat-lined? Really?

If this is true, then I am about to believe those stories where people are born without brains and can function pretty good!

I could not have the heart to pull the plug on Terri. Not with her eyes open, looking at you, mouthing things.
 
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0310/27/lkl.00.html

Michael Schaivo's LKL interview.

FELOS: Larry, that's one of the controversies in this case, that people see these videos and say, oh my God, here's a person that's aware. Terri has the classic symptoms of a patient in a vegetative state. If I can have just a couple of seconds. There is the article, the seminal article on that is "The Medical Aspects of the Persistent Vegetative State." And what it says here is: "Patients in a vegetative state are usually not immobile. They may move their trunk and limbs in meaningless ways. They may even occasionally smile, and a few may even shed tears. Some utter grunts, or on rare occasions moan or scream. These motor activities may misleadingly suggest purposeful movements." And that's the case with Terri.

KING: And you've made available for us a brain scan of her, right?

FELOS: Yes.

KING: Let's show that. And I saw the piece in "The New York Times" yesterday, in which a neurologist says that this is a brain- dead person.

FELOS: What you see in the middle of Terri's skull there, that black area is spinal fluid. That's where her cerebrum used to be. And because of the lack of oxygen, it atrophied and decayed away. What the court-appointed expert said that you can't get any more abnormal than this. Literally, her cerebrum isn't there anymore.
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Scallop it is...
 
tamiO said:
I want all those who are using the argument that her life will cost too much in taxpayer money to take a look at our country's budget and tell me with a straight face that the costs of fulfilling Terry Shiavo's parents' selfish wishes is more than a drop in the bucket.
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I sympathize with this view because so many people share it. I am not one of them. It is very easy to take a look at a massive budget and say, well gee, we waste a lot of money over here lets use some of it to keep one brain dead person alive no matter what it costs.

First no matter who's in charge, or who has been in charge or who will be in charge there will always be stuff that money is spent on that a particular person thinks is useless. So everybody will always be able to say something like we should do x because I think we should do less of y. The two things are barely related. If we did less of y, that wouldn't necessarily mean that we should move the resources to doing x.

Secondly, the people who are arguing that the government shouldn't fund the perpetual sustenance of brain dead people aren't just talking about one person, they mean all brain dead people so talking about how little it costs to maintain one brain dead person when the issue is really about the cost of maintaining all brain dead people is not making a fair argument.

Thirdly, what pool of money should this come out of? Presumably some government pool of money like medicare dedicated to medical care. So we aren't talking really just about the cost of taking care of brain dead people we are talking about the larger issue of when the expenditure of society's money on people who are seriously ill yields too little return for the expenditure. To some degree you are arguing that there should be no limit. If we can keep the person alive a little bit longer we should do it. So does that mean kidney transplants for 85 year old people who will gain at best two or three months of poor quality life if the operation is done?
 
People really think shes gonna some how pull out ofthis. 1/2 her brain has withered away!!!!

WHat makes me mad is that I know a number of elderly people who cant even afford their medications and go without because they dont have enough help from the govt. Yet political big wigs rally around this zombie who really died a decade ago, and they have no problems throwing money and effort at her.
 
Bump (since Denise is back - Hi Denise!)

Parents fight ban on visiting Terry

Michael Schiavo blocked all visitors from the Clearwater nursing home where his wife lives after apparent needle marks were found on both her arms March 29. The Schindlers had visited that day.

The Schindlers said they, too, were baffled by the needle marks. Tests found no unauthorized drugs or other substances in Terri Schiavo's blood. Police were investigating, but spokesman Wayne Shelor would not discuss details Tuesday.
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The saga continues. I find it interesting that the husband is still apparently the one looking after her though.

Graham
 
It's my understanding that Terri is no longer a sentient being and that she has no chance at ever regaining consciousness. Therefore, I think that the parents and Jeb have no case. I'll go with the court ruling.
 
Since the start of this thread I wonder how much in taxpayer money and medical resources have been spent on keeping Teris shell alive.
 
Tmy said:
People really think shes gonna some how pull out ofthis. 1/2 her brain has withered away!!!!

WHat makes me mad is that I know a number of elderly people who cant even afford their medications and go without because they dont have enough help from the govt. Yet political big wigs rally around this zombie who really died a decade ago, and they have no problems throwing money and effort at her.
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I'm not elderly, but I can't afford all my meds. Killing this woman isn't going to change that.
 
davefoc said:
tamiO said:

I sympathize with this view because so many people share it. I am not one of them. It is very easy to take a look at a massive budget and say, well gee, we waste a lot of money over here lets use some of it to keep one brain dead person alive no matter what it costs.
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It's easy for you to take a look at it like that, but that's not the angle I was looking at it from.

People feel powerless over controlling spending of tax dollars, Terri is an easy mark for them.
 
tamiO said:


It's easy for you to take a look at it like that, but that's not the angle I was looking at it from.

People feel powerless over controlling spending of tax dollars, Terri is an easy mark for them.
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It still doesn't take away from the fact that money is being wasted to keep a this nonsentient body alive. Terri will never regain consciousness.
 
thaiboxerken said:


It still doesn't take away from the fact that money is being wasted to keep a this nonsentient body alive. Terri will never regain consciousness.
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Could you look her in the eye and pull the plug? I couldn't.
 
thaiboxerken said:


This is simply an appeal to emotion. But, yes, I could and would.
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I HAVE!!!

I pulled the plug on my grandma. Sure it was difficult, but you know what I regret the most. Not doing it sooner.

When I think back I realize I wasnt letting her hang on for her sake. I was doing it for me, my selfish desires of wanting her to live. All i did was let her go on with all those tubes n drugs just delaying the inevitable cause I coulnt face the fact that it was her time to go.

If you really feel for her, let her die.
 
Grammatron said:


Even though there is nothing of "her" left inside the body?
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I think it's because I am a mother, my compassion is more for her mother. It must be a kick in the guts for her husband to be able to keep her mother and father away from her.

I think I will make my daughters get a stipulation drawn up that in case of their incapacitaion, I will be next of kin, not some man they marry.

As a mother there is some kind of intuition. Terri's mother feels Terri is still here.
 
AH HA!!! So you admit that you dont really care about Terri. You care about her mom.......Who you really dont care about either but you see yourself in her place. Which means you really only care about yourslef, which means you are selfish!!!

FOR SHAME!!! :p
 
tamiO said:


I think it's because I am a mother, my compassion is more for her mother. It must be a kick in the guts for her husband to be able to keep her mother and father away from her.

I think I will make my daughters get a stipulation drawn up that in case of their incapacitaion, I will be next of kin, not some man they marry.

As a mother there is some kind of intuition. Terri's mother feels Terri is still here.
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How her mother feels does not make her daughter more or less alive. And there is no such thing as a mother's intuition, sorry.
 
Grammatron said:


How her mother feels does not make her daughter more or less alive. And there is no such thing as a mother's intuition, sorry.
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Are you a Mother? Have you created a conscious bit of flesh in your body?

Sorry, I have bolted up from a dead sleep knowing something was wrong enough times to think something is up. I don't expect you to identify.

The last time was a few weeks ago when I woke up very anxious and 20 minutes later heard my daughter had been in a near fatal accident.
 
Tmy said:
AH HA!!! So you admit that you dont really care about Terri. You care about her mom.......Who you really dont care about either but you see yourself in her place. Which means you really only care about yourslef, which means you are selfish!!!

FOR SHAME!!! :p
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:p I know it was tough for you with your Grandma. You did a good thing.

I'm just saying it's not a court's decision, nor her husband's. It belongs to her mother.

What kind of archaic Bible thing is it that a mother gives up rights of next of kin when a child marries?
 
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