TERFs crash London Pride

[JihadJane]

I've provided actual news stories and in other thread links to actual medical articles. You and this latest blog post you're drooling over have provided links to conspiracy theories, unsupported assertions, Religious Right propaganda, and a whole lot of paranoid delusions.




Which makes it even more disturbing that they so frequently resort to Religious Right rhetoric, and why they feel the need to rebrand themselves.




Amazing what you can prove if you refuse to provide verifiable evidence.




As opposed to "all transpeople are evil monsters trying to destroy society and who should be sent to re-education camps to protect teh wimminiz"?

And if you hear that Religious Right people actually accept transwomen, you're not listening very clearly. I grew up in Religious Right churches, I'm far more familiar with them than you are, and that's so ridiculous as to be in the realm of Bigfoot and crystal healing. But by all means, don't let a thing like facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.




Let's take a look at this one bit of conspiracy theorizing, retired US Army Col. Jennifer Pritzkel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Pritzkel

Let's see, a retired military philanthropist who inherited a bunch of money, and whose primary activity is funding citizen soldier initiatives and education; with a small sideline into transgender research. OMG she must be trying to create a transgender army to take over the world and turn us all transgender!!1!one!




LOL! You do realize that not all transpeople are flaming leftists, right? You clearly don't consider transpeople fully human, but they are, and like all other humans they have political opinions that run the full spectrum from right to left and authoritarian to libertarian/anarchist.

Are you really so ignorant that you're not aware of conservative, right-wing LGBTs like the Log Cabin Republicans? Or gay neo-Nazis like Milo Yiannopoulos? Most of whom are as profoundly anti-trans as you are. I'm sure you'd get along famously.

What's your definition of the word "woman", luchog?

 

[Arcade22]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/263895b533b135cb60.jpg[/qimg]

You aren't seriously comparing that to the typical transphobic drivel you've posted in this thread, right?

 

[tyr_13]

It's because they know full well that it would immediately become clear they're just talking about reinforcing sexism and patriarchy once they actually define their terms. Basically the same reason that the Intelligent Design crowd tries their best to never give a definition of that "Intelligent Designer" lest it immediately become clear they're just talking about reinforcing religious education in lieu of scientific education.

Personally I just give them 15 crackpot points every time they refuse to define their terms (number 14 on the list, but I increased it from 10 points to 15 points because they're not just inventing new terms but redefining - or rather undefining - existing ones).

ETA: I ask once. If they don't give a definition, I ask again. If by the second time they don't give a definition they just go into the loony bin as far as I see it.

It's because you aren't arguing in good faith and will thus just say 'No that's not true!' That gets us nowhere. We know this for a fact, empirically. This isn't the first discussion on this and you can assume our various answers haven't changed as yours clearly hasn't either.

 

[luchog]

Says someone posting as "Luchog". That'll be what's on your driving licence then?

Thinking about it, this needs to be addressed separately. Care to post your full name, home address, and employer's address? Because that is what your TERF idols do to transpeople to "out" them and encourage harassment of them. It's called "doxxing", and your precious Cathy Brennan really loves that tactic. Well guess what, it's not going to work.

Second, I'm not the one calling for ostracism, harassment, and erasure of an entire group. You are, and the people you're choosing as your mentors are. Anyone who calls for the exclusion, oppression, and erasure of an entire group of people and hides behind an anonymous pseudonym is a coward, plain and simple.

Transpeople have had to deal with lesbians, and gays, denying their existence and attempting to exclude them every day of their lives. This TERF claim of "lesbian erasure" is just another page from the Religious Right playbook.

Christians don't get to oppress minority religions or LGBTQs anymore? It's a "War on Christianity" and "You're infringing my religious freedom". White people don't get to enslave or marginalize black people anymore? "White people are the true victims" and "White genocide". Lesbians don't get to exclude and marginalize transpeople anymore? "The existence of transpeople erases lesbians".

It's the same old boring tactic. Accuse those you are trying to erase/marginalize/kill of trying to do the same to you. When they try to defend themselves, scream about how you're the true victim and being oppressed by their attempts to simply exist. And the problem is that there are plenty of people stupid enough and bigoted enough to buy into that crap.

You're denying the very existence of transpeople. If that doesn't count as erasure, nothing does. And before you fall back on that "transpeople are erasing lesbian" nonsense, it isn't happening, anywhere. There maybe a vanishingly few individual conflicts, but it has nothing to do with "erasure" and more with people defending themselves from attacks, and a miniscule number of individuals acting like jackasses. To claim that the action of two or three unpleasant people are representative of the entirety of a far larger group is the heart and soul of bigotry.

Well, I'm done legitimizing this garbage by engaging with it. It's nothing but bigotry, always was, always will be, however you tart it up with lies and distortions and unfalsifiable anecdotes and manipulated statistics and complicated conspiracy theories. You're acting like a woo, and promoting woo, and supporting people who hurt other people because of woo. You're no different from the Religious Right and their sympathizers when you do that, however you want to pretend that you are.

I choose to hide behind anonymity online because of people like you. Because of bigots who would harass me, get me fired, and possibly even kill me, because of who I am. Not because of my actions, but simply because I am different from them. And you've demonstrated here that you're one of them, that you support the people who actually go out and do this. I have friends who this has actually happened to, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their homes, because of bigots like you. I would love nothing more than to be who I am openly and unashamedly, but thanks to this BS threatening my livelihood and existence, I can't. So congratulations, you're at least getting part of what you want, just like the Christians and alt.right bigots that you emulate.

Transpeople are people, and they deserve to be treated as people, period. If you can't do that, then you're not worth my time to respond to ever again.

 

[bluesjnr]

Thinking about it, this needs to be addressed separately. Care to post your full name, home address, and employer's address? Because that is what your TERF idols do to transpeople to "out" them and encourage harassment of them. It's called "doxxing", and your precious Cathy Brennan really loves that tactic. Well guess what, it's not going to work.

Second, I'm not the one calling for ostracism, harassment, and erasure of an entire group. You are, and the people you're choosing as your mentors are. Anyone who calls for the exclusion, oppression, and erasure of an entire group of people and hides behind an anonymous pseudonym is a coward, plain and simple.

Transpeople have had to deal with lesbians, and gays, denying their existence and attempting to exclude them every day of their lives. This TERF claim of "lesbian erasure" is just another page from the Religious Right playbook.

Christians don't get to oppress minority religions or LGBTQs anymore? It's a "War on Christianity" and "You're infringing my religious freedom". White people don't get to enslave or marginalize black people anymore? "White people are the true victims" and "White genocide". Lesbians don't get to exclude and marginalize transpeople anymore? "The existence of transpeople erases lesbians".

It's the same old boring tactic. Accuse those you are trying to erase/marginalize/kill of trying to do the same to you. When they try to defend themselves, scream about how you're the true victim and being oppressed by their attempts to simply exist. And the problem is that there are plenty of people stupid enough and bigoted enough to buy into that crap.

You're denying the very existence of transpeople. If that doesn't count as erasure, nothing does. And before you fall back on that "transpeople are erasing lesbian" nonsense, it isn't happening, anywhere. There maybe a vanishingly few individual conflicts, but it has nothing to do with "erasure" and more with people defending themselves from attacks, and a miniscule number of individuals acting like jackasses. To claim that the action of two or three unpleasant people are representative of the entirety of a far larger group is the heart and soul of bigotry.

Well, I'm done legitimizing this garbage by engaging with it. It's nothing but bigotry, always was, always will be, however you tart it up with lies and distortions and unfalsifiable anecdotes and manipulated statistics and complicated conspiracy theories. You're acting like a woo, and promoting woo, and supporting people who hurt other people because of woo. You're no different from the Religious Right and their sympathizers when you do that, however you want to pretend that you are.

I choose to hide behind anonymity online because of people like you. Because of bigots who would harass me, get me fired, and possibly even kill me, because of who I am. Not because of my actions, but simply because I am different from them. And you've demonstrated here that you're one of them, that you support the people who actually go out and do this. I have friends who this has actually happened to, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their homes, because of bigots like you. I would love nothing more than to be who I am openly and unashamedly, but thanks to this BS threatening my livelihood and existence, I can't. So congratulations, you're at least getting part of what you want, just like the Christians and alt.right bigots that you emulate.

Transpeople are people, and they deserve to be treated as people, period. If you can't do that, then you're not worth my time to respond to ever again.

This is a very enlightening post for me, one who is largely ignorant of the whole issue/issues not mention the entire LBGT community. Thank you for taking the time.

I'm still confused, I have to say. My opinion don't amount to a hill of beans in this debate but I'm still old fashioned enough to believe that there are only two genders and I'm certain that at a stretch you could call me bigoted because of that. That said, I'm finding it hard to believe that Trans females (that's men to women right?) as a group represent such a threat to lesbians. Part of me feels that there is resentment from them at having share their "minority cake".

But hey! People of both sides don't dump on me........ yet. My opinion is still very naive and I'm learning a lot from this thread.

 

[JihadJane]

You aren't seriously comparing that to the typical transphobic drivel you've posted in this thread, right?

No, I'm comparing this transgender meme with far-right-wing rhetoric and violence.

Now, rather than attempting to smear people you disagree with with sweeping Godwin-style generalisations, please give some actual examples of my supposed far-right-stye rhetoric.

Before that, however, I'd like you to give your definition of the word 'woman' and also your definition of 'transphobia', illustrating it with anything supposedly transphobic that I've posted in this thread.

And do you think it's possible for a lesbian to have a penis?

Thanks.

 

[JihadJane]

Thinking about it, this needs to be addressed separately. Care to post your full name, home address, and employer's address? Because that is what your TERF idols do to transpeople to "out" them and encourage harassment of them. It's called "doxxing", and your precious Cathy Brennan really loves that tactic. Well guess what, it's not going to work.

Second, I'm not the one calling for ostracism, harassment, and erasure of an entire group. You are, and the people you're choosing as your mentors are. Anyone who calls for the exclusion, oppression, and erasure of an entire group of people and hides behind an anonymous pseudonym is a coward, plain and simple.

Transpeople have had to deal with lesbians, and gays, denying their existence and attempting to exclude them every day of their lives. This TERF claim of "lesbian erasure" is just another page from the Religious Right playbook.

Christians don't get to oppress minority religions or LGBTQs anymore? It's a "War on Christianity" and "You're infringing my religious freedom". White people don't get to enslave or marginalize black people anymore? "White people are the true victims" and "White genocide". Lesbians don't get to exclude and marginalize transpeople anymore? "The existence of transpeople erases lesbians".

It's the same old boring tactic. Accuse those you are trying to erase/marginalize/kill of trying to do the same to you. When they try to defend themselves, scream about how you're the true victim and being oppressed by their attempts to simply exist. And the problem is that there are plenty of people stupid enough and bigoted enough to buy into that crap.

You're denying the very existence of transpeople. If that doesn't count as erasure, nothing does. And before you fall back on that "transpeople are erasing lesbian" nonsense, it isn't happening, anywhere. There maybe a vanishingly few individual conflicts, but it has nothing to do with "erasure" and more with people defending themselves from attacks, and a miniscule number of individuals acting like jackasses. To claim that the action of two or three unpleasant people are representative of the entirety of a far larger group is the heart and soul of bigotry.

Well, I'm done legitimizing this garbage by engaging with it. It's nothing but bigotry, always was, always will be, however you tart it up with lies and distortions and unfalsifiable anecdotes and manipulated statistics and complicated conspiracy theories. You're acting like a woo, and promoting woo, and supporting people who hurt other people because of woo. You're no different from the Religious Right and their sympathizers when you do that, however you want to pretend that you are.

I choose to hide behind anonymity online because of people like you. Because of bigots who would harass me, get me fired, and possibly even kill me, because of who I am. Not because of my actions, but simply because I am different from them. And you've demonstrated here that you're one of them, that you support the people who actually go out and do this. I have friends who this has actually happened to, who have lost their jobs, who have lost their homes, because of bigots like you. I would love nothing more than to be who I am openly and unashamedly, but thanks to this BS threatening my livelihood and existence, I can't. So congratulations, you're at least getting part of what you want, just like the Christians and alt.right bigots that you emulate.

Transpeople are people, and they deserve to be treated as people, period. If you can't do that, then you're not worth my time to respond to ever again.

Who's going to win the identity politics, victim olympics?


In the UK, anyway, it's critics of transactivist ideology who are being harassed, no-platformed and hounded out of their jobs. As you can see from the lesbian blue plaque example above, society is bending over backwards to take transgender people's feelings about themselves into account, even if it means erasing the very word LESBIAN in the process.

The idea that some people are born transgender (hence the claim, for example, that transchildren exist) appears to have been developed by the medical profession as it became technologically possible to medically change someone's outer sex characteristics with hormones and surgery. Since then, especially recently, transgender woo has rapidly spread by social contagion, aided by the internet.

 

[Information Analyst]

Equalities Act rights are where there will be most consequences, eg under UK employment legislation awards in sexual discrimination cases for women are uncapped, while those for men are capped, to reflect current inequalities in pay. If gender is simply a matter of signing a form, then this approach will need to be rethought.

I would have thought that that was the greater problem. Remove the cap on male awards, and what problem is left?

 

[Information Analyst]

Lesbian erasure: A blue plaque celebrating lesbian pioneer, Ann Lister, shies away from using the word LESBIAN. Uses "Gender non-conforming" instead:

Hopefully the plaque, at least, managed to spell her name right.

 

[Aber]

I would have thought that that was the greater problem. Remove the cap on male awards, and what problem is left?

General inflation in awards in employment law cases?

 

[Darat]

General inflation in awards in employment law cases?

This was something I didn't know, I think it is a ridiculous point of law. Has this not been challenged in the courts? It seems fundamentally at odds with anti-sex discrimination legislation.

ETA: It looks like this isn't the case:

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/landmark-employment-law-judgments-pt30/

4. No compensation limit in discrimination claims
Marshall v Southampton and South-West Hampshire Area Health Authority (No.2) (2 August 1993)

Until this challenge to the cap on discrimination awards, the amount of compensation that the courts and tribunals could award for discrimination was severely limited.

In a landmark case, the ECJ decided that it was contrary to EU law for member states to place an upper limit on compensation for loss and damage suffered as a result of sex discrimination. In Ms Marshall’s case, her compensation was subject to a limit of £8,500, whereas the tribunal would have awarded her £20,000.

The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 and Race Relations Act 1976 were subsequently amended to remove the cap on discrimination awards. Under the Equality Act 2010, discrimination compensation is currently uncapped.

 

[zooterkin]

Lesbian erasure: A blue plaque celebrating lesbian pioneer, Ann Lister, shies away from using the word LESBIAN. Uses "Gender non-conforming" instead:

Looks like a storm in a teacup. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ked-for-not-calling-her-a-lesbian-anne-lister

York Civic Trust apologised for the fact that some people felt let down by the plaque’s wording and said it was open to updating it in the near future. “The wording was shaped by several open consultations held with York’s LGBT community between July 2017 and February 2018,” it said in a statement.

I’m a little puzzled how putting up a plaque to someone is ‘erasing’ them.

 

[Arcade22]

No, I'm comparing this transgender meme with far-right-wing rhetoric and violence.

I wasn't talking about violence. Saying "**** you" (which is essentially what that tweet said) doesn't have anything to do with it. Seriously.

Now, rather than attempting to smear people you disagree with with sweeping Godwin-style generalisations, please give some actual examples of my supposed far-right-stye rhetoric.

Here's a great example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12379316&postcount=624

Note that in this post you demonstrate an incredible ignorance here that's matched by your hysterical hostility towards what you call "dangerous transgender ideology".

In reality psychologists (or at least the vast majority of them) do not pressure gender nonconforming boys into believing that they are "born in the wrong body" or that they will need SRS.

Again this is really comparable to those that say education children at school about homo/bisexuality is really tantamount to "making children gay" and is "indoctrinating them into homosexuality".

Before that, however, I'd like you to give your definition of the word 'woman' and also your definition of 'transphobia', illustrating it with anything supposedly transphobic that I've posted in this thread.

A woman is someone who displays a physical appearance and mannerism that's associated with the female sex. Transphobia is fear and/or hatred towards transsexual individuals.

And do you think it's possible for a lesbian to have a penis?

Sure.

 

[Aber]

This was something I didn't know, I think it is a ridiculous point of law. Has this not been challenged in the courts? It seems fundamentally at odds with anti-sex discrimination legislation.

ETA: It looks like this isn't the case:

Seems I need a refresher HR course...

 

[Arcade22]

I’m a little puzzled how putting up a plaque to someone is ‘erasing’ them.

Well apparently if you don't explicitly mention that someone is a lesbian, because that's the single most important part of their person, is tantamount to trying to "erase lesbians". By the same reasoning surely failing to mention their race would mean they are "erasing the white race"?

Since lesbians are among the most tolerated and accepted of LGBT people it would require some pretty crazy reasoning to conclude that they are being oppressed by "dangerous transgender ideology" or whatever.

 

[Darat]

We are also all a product of our time and often labels we are happy with today would seem very strange or even abhorrent to the person we are applying them.

How did that famous person perceive and/or label themselves is what I think should guide us.

Saying that I'm slightly confused at the need to state someone's homosexuality on a plaque, surely it should be about what they achieved in their life?

......

To the wider point, if a lesbian wants to have a penis I don't see it's any business of mine, if they do find that other lesbians don't want to have sex with such a person then that is just tough. No one should be pressuring anyone into having sex with them whether there are penises involved or not.

......

I remember the "L" being put into the likes of "gay centre", I was always a tad uncomfortable about that as both women and men could be gay. But did understand at the time that many lesbians felt "gay" was in the publics' mind reffering to male homosexuals so they wanted it highlighted that "gay rights" and so on were not something of interest to and for only male homosexuals. I think the lesbians and the supporters of adding "the L" were right. It's unfortunate that some people want to take it out again. We've acheived a lot by unity rather than separatism.

I am more than sad to see some of the same arguments I grew up hearing about male homosexuals being kept out of places that were for "real men" now being directed at trans folk.

And the insulting nonsense of homosexual boys being "feminine" and therefore being pushed to consider themselves girls is a load of tripe. Homesexual boys are attracted to males which has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to be a boy. It is nothing but the old "which of you is the woman in your relationship" I used to hear when I was much younger repackaged. It was disgusting ignorant bigotry back when I was boy as it is today.

If someone is assaulting or harassing anyone under the guise of equality then they should be dealt with as an individual, we shouldn't be tarring everyone because of a very tiny minority of bad faith actors.

 

[Lithrael]

And the insulting nonsense of homosexual boys being "feminine" and therefore being pushed to consider themselves girls is a load of tripe. Homesexual boys are attracted to males which has absolutely nothing to do with not wanting to be a boy. It is nothing but the old "which of you is the woman in your relationship" I used to hear when I was much younger repackaged. It was disgusting ignorant bigotry back when I was boy as it is today.

It's the part of the anti (or to be charitable, the critical) trans camp to claim that "That's what trans-activists and trans-positive medical professionals do! Because they're gender essentialists!"

But in my experience it's only beginners and gatekeepers who display gender essentialism. Those are the people who say things like "That tomboy seems more like they'd be trans than you do. You're so into shoes and fashion and reading - they like baseball and mud! They would fit right in as a boy but you wouldn't."

"Are you a boy or a girl?" I got sick of that question before I was five. I used to say I was a fire truck. I've lived a whole life recognizing that I'm kind of Bad At Girl - but would I have been tempted to try being a boy if that was In Fashion when I was a kid? Why? None of the negative consequences of being Bad At Girl would be improved by joining an even more marginalized group. A tomboy girl already has a pretty easy time joining a group of boys to play with. I didn't even internalize "you're not like other girls," a phrase I still slightly resent, because there are TONS of other girls who ARE like that. Not following stereotype in a group doesn't mean you're not in or don't deserve the common respect to be recognized as a member of the group. It's why it gets under my skin when I see someone say to any minority "you're not like other X". It's why I step back and give Pharphis some respect because if he says he's MRA then he IS, and maybe if I knew the group better my impression wouldn't be defined by its stereotype.

I do know a few women who as teenagers didn't like girls and couldn't get excited about being a girl themselves for reasons like, none of the girl characters in the media they liked were as good as the boy characters. And they didn't think they were attractive, and everyone makes such a big deal about girls having to be attractive. And it's not fun to have to deal with periods. Do trans-critical folks really think medical professionals see girls like this and just start encouraging them to transition? How dumb do they think they are?

 

[luchog]

I'm still confused, I have to say. My opinion don't amount to a hill of beans in this debate but I'm still old fashioned enough to believe that there are only two genders and I'm certain that at a stretch you could call me bigoted because of that.

There is a whole lot of prejudice out there (I'd hesitate to call it bigotry) that is simply cultural, that exists because people just weren't taught any better. It fades with time and education.

There is a good deal of scientific research pointing to transgenderism being deeply ingrained and likely based in neurology rather than being the "learned" or "enforced" behaviour that the bigots would have us believe. Research that supports the idea that the innate body image that all people have is established very early in life, and does not change much if at all, aside from the normal maturation process, puberty and such. The overwhelming majority of transpeople appear to have that image of themselves well before puberty, in fact, even if they lack the cultural referents to explain or describe it.

Some of that research has been posted to this forum, in previous threads on the subject, if you can be arsed to go dig them up (I can't be, at the moment).

That said, I'm finding it hard to believe that Trans females (that's men to women right?) as a group represent such a threat to lesbians. Part of me feels that there is resentment from them at having share their "minority cake".

It's all part of the hierarchy of privilege. People are much more likely to stratify themselves into classes and privilege groups than they are to collaborate and accept all others as equals.

We saw it develop among black slaves, field vs. house slaves; and after the Civil War amongst black people, with a whole hierarchy of social status based on skin tone, with black and mixed-race people with lighter skin tones maintaining higher status than those with darker tones; and the entire controversy over straightened vs. natural ("nappy") hair. Most of that is simply internalized oppression and natural human tendencies toward classism.

It didn't helps that lighter-skinned black people, and those with straightened hair, have experienced more social acceptance and some measure of privilege in mainstream American culture compared to their darker, "nappier" peers, which reinforced that hierarchy.

Standard in-group, out-group dynamics. When no groups are rigidly defined by culture, ability, tribe, or other outside sources, humans will invent categories to toss each other into.

Note that in this post you demonstrate an incredible ignorance here that's matched by your hysterical hostility towards what you call "dangerous transgender ideology".
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Again this is really comparable to those that say education children at school about homo/bisexuality is really tantamount to "making children gay" and is "indoctrinating them into homosexuality".

Not just tantamount, effectively identical.

In reality psychologists (or at least the vast majority of them) do not pressure gender nonconforming boys into believing that they are "born in the wrong body" or that they will need SRS.

And, in fact, a good deal of counseling with both the child and parents is required before any child is even considered "legitimately" transgendered, and may be offered the option of delaying puberty until they're old enough to make an informed decision.

Since lesbians are among the most tolerated and accepted of LGBT people it would require some pretty crazy reasoning to conclude that they are being oppressed by "dangerous transgender ideology" or whatever.

There was a comment made, aimed mainly at white people, but it definitely applies here as well, "When you are used to privilege, equality can feel like oppression". And while lesbians do not enjoy the full privileges accorded to the heterosexual majority, they do tend rank higher in the social hierarchy of both mainstream culture and LGBTQ culture, than gay men, and definitely well above transpeople. Lesbians and bisexual women are more "sexy" to white male dominated culture than gay men are, and certainly more than transpeople are. Provided of course that they fit a particular stereotype of "femme" presentation, something that gay/bisexual men and transgenders have no equivalent of.

It's also interesting to see that the overwhelming majority of TERFs are also white.

I am more than sad to see some of the same arguments I grew up hearing about male homosexuals being kept out of places that were for "real men" now being directed at trans folk.

And that's the real issue here. Nearly all of the anti-trans TERF rhetoric against transpeople is simply the old anti-homosexuality rhetoric of the Religious Right repackaged. The same "indoctrination/recruiting" libel, the same "homosexual agenda" conspiracy theories renamed. There is very little difference. "Lesbian predators molesting and recruiting our good straight young girls" became "Trans predators molesting and recruiting..." and so on. The "Homosexual Agenda" to turn everyone homosexual and hunt down and destroy good straight Christians has become the "Trans Agenda" to turn everyone trans, with a side conspiracy of "Big Pharma" backing the agenda to sell hormone therapy, and doctors conspiring to create more expensive surgeries and put money in their own pockets (it's sort of a smorgasboard of woo). "Gay people are all paedophiles trying to rape our children" became "transpeople are all paedophiles dressing up as women to lurk in public restrooms and locker rooms to rape our children". "Gay people are going to force straight people to have sex with them" became "transpeople are trying to trick or force straight and gay people to have sex with them".

"Are you a boy or a girl?" I got sick of that question before I was five. I used to say I was a fire truck. I've lived a whole life recognizing that I'm kind of Bad At Girl - but would I have been tempted to try being a boy if that was In Fashion when I was a kid? Why? None of the negative consequences of being Bad At Girl would be improved by joining an even more marginalized group.

 

[JihadJane]

I’ve quit the Labour Party because it has betrayed women

"...the present iteration of the Labour Party is busily re-writing history to claim that All Women Shortlistss were never ever exclusively designed for women, so that the Leadership can justify instating natal-male transwomen into women’s places within a mechanism that was designed to circumvent sexism. This is biologically-based sexism – in the Party, without first consulting with ALL women members. It is treachery."

 

[Darat]

I’ve quit the Labour Party because it has betrayed women

"...the present iteration of the Labour Party is busily re-writing history to claim that All Women Shortlistss were never ever exclusively designed for women, so that the Leadership can justify instating natal-male transwomen into women’s places within a mechanism that was designed to circumvent sexism. This is biologically-based sexism – in the Party, without first consulting with ALL women members. It is treachery."

I'm struggling to understand her beef? Is there another story/article she is responding to?