The problem with the "subjugation at the hands of men" narrative is that it includes male victims as well, and female perpetrators,...
This isn't a problem at all.
Working class men are disadvantaged compared to upper class men. That doesn't mean economic class oppression doesn't exist. Oppressed working class men gain an advantage over women simply by being born male, in that they will very likely be paid more for their labour than women for doing exactly the same work, for example. This advantage doesn't negate the disadvantages these men face because of their socio-economic status. That there have been individual women in powerful positions doesn't wipe out the fact that historically, political power has nearly always been wielded by and for men
as a class.
...unless you completely remove all female power at present and throughout history (which feminists tend to do).
No, they don't. They tend to celebrate it.
Yes, it is mostly men sitting in particular seats of political power, but that doesn't mean it is "men" who are in power.
LOL. The invisible powerful women!
Particular 0.1%ers are (and their wives).
Yeah, right! Women still get paid less for their labour. Often they don't get paid at all.
Today it's the same except women now hold power in the highest offices as well as dominate almost all gendered lobbying efforts.
Yes, two centuries of feminism has been politically successful and made real gains but the pay gap still exists between men and women all over the world. Money is power.
I suspect the overlap of the bullies you describe with MRAs is near-zero. Almost no one in the "progressive" sphere identifies with MRAs or the MRM in general. You probably couldn't find a single example of someone in that camp who does so, because both camps are very small and come at gender politics mostly from the exact opposite perspective (feminist vs non-feminist)
What you personally "suspect" is irrelevant to whether or nor this bullying exists.
The feminist vs non-feminist perspective is a false dichotomy. Third wave feminism is not the same as second wave feminism, for example. The third wave has largely accepted and been undermined by Postmodern identity politics. Previous feminist political gains are being reversed.
The "progressive sphere" has been strongly influenced by transgender identity activist doctrine/magical thinking. Many on the left are terrified of speaking out about transgender activist bullying. Progressives ( in contrast to conservatives) are strongly motivated by empathy and automatically identify with minorities and underdogs. They are easy meat for guilt trippers claiming superior victimhood, as male transgender activists do!
I
linked to examples of transgender activist bullying, above. The unselfconscious use of the slur "TERFs" in the title of this thread and in the comments are also examples of this. There is no such thing as a "TERF".
Now I do see MRAs such as myself disagree with the belief structure surrounding many of the anti-trans talking points (women are put at a huge risk because men are so dangerous, they're pedos, they will take advantage of said policies to abuse others <--- always framed unidirectionally as male perpetrators and female victims) but I also see people in the MRM who are anti-trans in some regard or another. I've never seen someone say that rejecting sex with a trans women is transphobic, except satirically.
The "talking points" aren't anti-trans. They are anti transgender identity activist political doctrine.
Feminists are and have been natural allies of anyone not conforming to gender rules, including trans people. Feminism seeks get rid of gender altogether.
You need to get out more, apparently.
The notion that lesbians rejecting sex with trans women (i.e men) is transphobic is central to transgender-activist thinking. That's why the Pride protest explicitly referenced it. "Lesbians are female homosexuals" was one of their banners
.Hell, even circumcision, one of if not the biggest issue facing men worldwide as well as some of the western world is somewhat controversial in the MRM. Some of them just buy into the religious arguments, have extreme libertarian views, are unable to cope with the fact that they themselves have been mutilated, buy into the health arguments...
Circumcision is genital mutilation and is most prevalent in patriarchal (male God) religions and psychologically very harmful. It is a form of male violence. There are probably bigger issues facing men than this, though.
So I don't really buy that your opposition here is MRAs. I also don't buy the notion that it is "male entitlement" at the root of any of it.
Transgender identity political activism is a subset of mens' rights activism. The activists are campaigning for the rights of men (transwomen).
Women do not have an issue with transmen entering women-only spaces because transmen are women.
What you personally "buy" is your opinion. Thanks for sharing it.
It seems "patriarchy" is a trigger word for you! Whether or not you believe male domination or patriarchy exists isn't so important to the topic of this thread, which is the "Get the L out of LGBT' protest by lesbians at London Pride this year. Maybe you could have a chat with the Pope if you really are unable to identify sex-based power structures.
(women are put at a huge risk because men are so dangerous, they're pedos, they will take advantage of said policies to abuse others)
= strawman, unless you can demonstrate that anyone has ever said "they're pedos". Why wouldn't predatory men take advantage of permission to enter female toilets, prisons and other female-only spaces? Some men, quite a lot of them,
are dangerous and sexually abusive.
Women are afraid of walking home alone at night because they are afraid of men. This seems perfectly reasonable! Men are also afraid of men in this context.
The transgender identity political activist cult is indeed relatively small, numerically, but it is politically very successful and has been able to influence national legal policy and law in several countries, normalising for, example, "transitioning" children, as part of a highly lucrative "transitioning" industry for the medical/pharmaceutical complex and in getting men (XY) who subjectively "identify" as women legally treated as real women (XX). This is what eradicating women as a class looks like.
Rolfe posted this link earlier, which is worth reading:
https://astroterf.wordpress.com/2018/07/16/the-cuckoo-in-the-lgbt-nest/
Facebook is blocking it because it has been reported as abusive.
Who did you think might have found it abusive and reported it as such?
