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TERFs crash London Pride

Darat said:
What has this to do with "the alt left" or "alt right"?
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Well, the obsessive, viscous identity politics thing really is a "leftwing" (when defined as "not rightwing") problem for the most part, notwithstanding the fact that "white identity" neonazis are the only really frighting faction obsessed with their own demographic (excluding economic class) in that way.
 
Darat said:
Still not understanding how this is a fault of the "left" and not a fault of all extremism, whether right, left, liberal and so on.
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Rightwing "identity politics" are all about race.

Leftwing "identity politics" are about all the other identities people have, so there are more things to debate about.

These seem to be the general, not firm rules. I'm sure I could find all kinds of exotic exceptions if I thought about it long enough.
 
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and the point remains that you don't even have to deny the wage gap.

If there is a wage gap that is due to gender, then changing your gender will change the problem, ie removing an excuse to victimhood for those who want to claim said victimhood
 
kellyb said:
Rightwing "identity politics" are all about race.

Leftwing "identity politics" are about all the other identities people have, so there are more things to debate about.

These seem to be the general, not firm rules. I'm sure I could find all kinds of exotic exceptions if I thought about it long enough.
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WOW, I got the above wrong. That was totally my white-person-centered worldview showing. Yikes. :o
I retract.

I'm now as lost as Darat on where any of this lies on any sort of political spectrum.
 
Stankeye said:
I would say it depends on what you mean. There is a gap and probably always will be. It doesn't arise from women being paid less for doing the same job though as that is illegal.
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Illegal, but still happens...

UK has recently introduced a requirement for employers with more than 250 staff to report pay by gender and explain inequalities. This seems to have been very effective in addressing the issues.

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/

If gender becomes a matter of self-identification, this approach becomes difficult.
 
Aber said:
Illegal, but still happens...

UK has recently introduced a requirement for employers with more than 250 staff to report pay by gender and explain inequalities. This seems to have been very effective in addressing the issues.

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/

If gender becomes a matter of self-identification, this approach becomes difficult.
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Why does it become difficult.?
 
Aber said:
Illegal, but still happens...

UK has recently introduced a requirement for employers with more than 250 staff to report pay by gender and explain inequalities. This seems to have been very effective in addressing the issues.

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/

If gender becomes a matter of self-identification, this approach becomes difficult.
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Effective how? Such bald statistics lack the nuance to understand what is actually happening, and the media and feminists just perpetuate the "Wah! Men get paid more than us!" mantra.
 
Aber said:
Illegal, but still happens...

UK has recently introduced a requirement for employers with more than 250 staff to report pay by gender and explain inequalities. This seems to have been very effective in addressing the issues.

https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/

If gender becomes a matter of self-identification, this approach becomes difficult.
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Wow, that's idiotic idea. Law of unintended consequences (alongside of Brexit) will have field years with such stupidity.
 
theprestige said:
I for one won't usually follow blind links posted without comment.

If you have something to say, say it here, and cite the link as a reference.
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The article explains the incident from the point of view of the women. There is no hate there and I entirely concur with the author.
 
Rolfe said:
The article explains the incident from the point of view of the women. There is no hate there and I entirely concur with the author.
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It's clearly anti-trans and pro-TERF. It's certainly trans-denialist, using the same sort of "arguments" that the American right-wing uses to stoke bogus fear of transgender people. It insists that transwomen are just predatory "men," and that transmen do not actually exist, but rather are misdiagnosed butch lesbians, this being deemed to be "lesbian eradication." It's ironic that one historically suppressed sexuality is looking to oppress another based on lazy stereotyping and denial that the "other" really exists.
 
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