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Tenth Planet Discoverer Is Cheerleader for Astrologers

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New York Times Article:

Michael E. Brown (no relation to Richard), an astronomer and a member of the team that discovered 2003 UB313, said he has been peppered with inquiries from astrologers seeking to know the exact moment he made his observation. Dr. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology, subsequently posted the time of discovery on his Web page for their benefit, he said, because he has always appreciated astrologers' enthusiasm for the heavens. "
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How thoughtful of him.

"The astronomical world frequently sits around and bickers," he said. "It's nice to see a group sit around and take pleasure in new discoveries.
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Maybe someone should tell this guy that the "bickering" is a huge part of the scientific process.

Astrologers like Richard Brown, ....., are excited about the discovery of a possible new planet. They will be watching to see its effects on human lives.
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OK. Sure. Like gravity didn't exist untill Issac discovered it, either. Sheesh.
 
One can only hope he's having a bit of fun.

I just have to marvel at how the astrologers don't get that if this is a planet, then it proves they have been wrong all this time. No surprise to us, but to them it should be a wee shock.
 
Thought: If astrology was scientific, wouldn't astrologers be among the first to hypothesize about undiscovered planets?:

"Wait a minute, everyone's chart was off by X. Could that mean there's a planet out there that accounts for X?"
 
To be perfectly fair to the astrologers: A new planet does not mean that all older charts are wrong, just that they should now be able to make them with increased precision.

I am wondering, though, why do they want the date it was found? I can't imagine how that can be relevant to anything.

And does it matter if it is declared a planet or not? I mean, it's there, period. If heavenly bodies influence us, I assume they do so, regardless of how we choose to clasify (or name) them?

Hans
 
They want the time, date and place (of the observer) because the chart drawn up for the discovery could carry information about the new body's influence.
 
sophia8 said:
They want the time, date and place (of the observer) because the chart drawn up for the discovery could carry information about the new body's influence.
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Ehh? So the effect of these things are recursive? How did it then affect its own chart before it was discovered ;). How can the time some human discovered it have any infuence on how it influences us? Excuse me, but that runs in an endless loop.

What if some people never heard of Mars? Will that change Mars' influence on them?

:dio:

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
To be perfectly fair to the astrologers: A new planet does not mean that all older charts are wrong, just that they should now be able to make them with increased precision.
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Whoops. Not so.

One of the basic tenets of astrology was that the sky was perfect. The heavens were God's creation, even more than Earth, because they weren't "polluted" by the sins of man, and therefore perfect.

The seven "planets" of yore constituted a whole. All planets covered every aspect of human life, past, present and especially future, which is what astrologers describe when interpreting the horoscope.

That's why the basic idea of astrology - namely, that the perfect sky mirrors human life and destiny - is undermined with the discovery of each new planet.
 
well, vedic astrology, which claims to be the source for wetsern, 'tropical' astrology, states that only the first eight planets have any influence on their art. so, anything after neptune doesn't even count. too far away i guess.
 
Cripes. I get a whole section in the commentary, and no one comments here. And now I am quoted by the friggin' New York Times, and nary a whisper of it in a thread about that article!

You people have no clue how to show obeisance. Just for this, I will go to TAMIV and mock you, mock you all! Bwahahahahaha!
 
You people have no clue how to show obeisance.
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obei·sance - 1 : a movement of the body made in token of respect or submission : BOW
2 : DEFERENCE, HOMAGE
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There ya go, Phil.
 
Hmph. Next they'll be expecting rah-rah chants and cartwheels and stuff. I got the shirt, in pink, that's enough.

New York Times? Maybe a little cartwheel. Hardly a tumble. :)
 
The Bad Astronomer said:
Cripes. I get a whole section in the commentary, and no one comments here. And now I am quoted by the friggin' New York Times, and nary a whisper of it in a thread about that article!

You people have no clue how to show obeisance. Just for this, I will go to TAMIV and mock you, mock you all! Bwahahahahaha!
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Before you see our butts (who said obeisance resulted in people bowing towards you?), let's see some evidence, Space-Boy.
 
Astrologers are especially eager to learn 2003 UB313's permanent name, because in their business, a celestial object's name is essential to its interpretation. "Naming is important, particularly when a name has a mythological charge to it," said Barry Perlman, a San Francisco astrologer. "You're connecting it to a lineage of cultural traditions."
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I was a week ahead of them.
 
The Bad Astronomer said:
Cripes. I get a whole section in the commentary, and no one comments here. And now I am quoted by the friggin' New York Times, and nary a whisper of it in a thread about that article!

You people have no clue how to show obeisance. Just for this, I will go to TAMIV and mock you, mock you all! Bwahahahahaha!
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Who the hell are you?
 
Jeff Corey said:
Who the hell are you?
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Whoever he is, probably best ignored. He's not even all that good at what he does; look at his name. Says it all.

Athon
 
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