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Tennessee: Execution of Christa Pike stayed!

theprestige said:
Christa Pike is not the victim. She earned the death penalty fair and square.


Not women; DEI. This was literally a case of hiring someone to do a job based on their gender, rather than their competence. I'm sure her team did the best they could; it's just that they weren't the best team for the job. It's not their fault.
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Because, of course, this sort of thing never happens otherwise.


Are you sure it wasn't Biden's fault?
 
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theprestige said:
She's literally the murderer, dude. That's the opposite of the victim.
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Convicts do not lose all their rights and may still be victimized. The Eighth Amendment applies only to people convicted of crimes and guarantees them a right not be punished in cruel or unusual ways for those crimes. If the rule of law means anything, then a convict may seek to vindicate those rights.
 
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theprestige said:
She's literally the murderer, dude. That's the opposite of the victim.
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Let's say I was convicted of murderer, and I served my sentence. After leaving prison, will I be the victim if someone randomly beats me over the head with a 2x4?

How about if they beat me while in prison?
 
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If Christa Pile is the victim, who victimized her? Not the state. The state gave her due process and a just sentence for the crimes she committed. Not the executioners. I'm sure they did the best they could.

She was the "victim" of a workplace accident. That's one way to put it, but without any malicious agent, the word loses a lot of its punch. The word ends up being just an anti-death penalty slogan. Which doesn't mean much, if you're not against the death penalty.
 
LSSBB said:
If you can't make a determination what is cruel and unusual, I don't see how can you make a determination whether someone is a victim of the state or not.
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I'm not going to make your arguments for you. I'm already satisfied that capital punishment in general, and lethal injection in particular, is a just sentence for the crime of murder. I've already made my argument for why Crista Pike is not a victim of any malicious agency besides her own, in this tragedy.

American culture isn't big on floggings in criminal justice, but I'm not morally opposed to the concept. I don't think Singapore's corporal punishment is particularly cruel or inhumane. If we were to implement something similar here, I wouldn't reflexively join the "unconstitutional!" chorus.

So it's up to you to explain whether your scenario involves a just sentence or not. Though, why bother? Your scenario isn't even the scenario under discussion. But whatever. If you have an argument, make it.
 
theprestige said:
I'm not going to make your arguments for you. I'm already satisfied that capital punishment in general, and lethal injection in particular, is a just sentence for the crime of murder. I've already made my argument for why Crista Pike is not a victim of any malicious agency besides her own, in this tragedy.

American culture isn't big on floggings in criminal justice, but I'm not morally opposed to the concept. I don't think Singapore's corporal punishment is particularly cruel or inhumane. If we were to implement something similar here, I wouldn't reflexively join the "unconstitutional!" chorus.

So it's up to you to explain whether your scenario involves a just sentence or not. Though, why bother? Your scenario isn't even the scenario under discussion. But whatever. If you have an argument, make it.
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It's not up to me to explain. It's up to the courts. Especially in determining whether suffering the extended pain of a botched execution is part of an execution, or is being the victim of something cruel and unusual that goes beyond the boundaries of a standard, supposedly non-cruel punishment.

I do feel safe in saying it is unusual.
 
LSSBB said:
It's not up to me to explain. It's up to the courts. Especially in determining whether suffering the extended pain of a botched execution is part of an execution, or is being the victim of something cruel and unusual that goes beyond the boundaries of a standard, supposedly non-cruel punishment.

I do feel safe in saying it is unusual.
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And I feel safe in saying that we can decide for ourselves what the right answer is, and judge for ourselves whether the courts are arriving at the right answers.

I also feel safe saying that delegating your morality to whatever the latest ruling by the nearest court happens to be is a terrible way to human.
 
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theprestige said:
American culture isn't big on floggings in criminal justice, but I'm not morally opposed to the concept. I don't think Singapore's corporal punishment is particularly cruel or inhumane. If we were to implement something similar here, I wouldn't reflexively join the "unconstitutional!" chorus.
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Caning seems a little medieval. it's not like you're getting a spanking that really smarts, and is humiliating. You're a bloody mess when they are done with you, and takes weeks to heal, during which time you sometimes can't control.your bowels. Seems to land on both a cruel and unusual thing to do, considering it is employed for offenses like vandalism.
 
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