Telepathy

[Pixel42]

My claim?

Have you forgotten your OP?

Recent events and displays of well researched data has indicated to me, that 'telepathy' or the ability to extend one's consciousness beyond one's cranium is a real measurable phenomena, that has its basis in natural selection...

Ever feel like someone or something is watching you? Prey animals who can sense being watched, OFTEN look in direction of their stalker. If you look at the back of someone's head, more often than not they will turn and look right at you.

I've highlighted the claims.

These claims are easily testable and have, in fact, been tested by others using robust, carefully controlled protocols with negative results. Yet you, apparently, know better. So where are your protocols and test results to justify these claims?

 

[Jim_MDP]

My claim?

Yes... YOUR claim.

Recent events and displays of well researched data has indicated to me, that 'telepathy' or the ability to extend one's consciousness beyond one's cranium is a real measurable phenomena, that has its basis in natural selection...

...

After a few youtube searches I found some rather astounding test results.

Anyone here want to run a test, employing skeptics as the subjects??

Right there... in YOUR opening post to this thread.

Stop wheeling the goalposts around and decide what you'd like to test for, and how you'd like the testing be conducted.


You might also consider losing some of that "troll" taint you keep hauling around by pointing us toward that "well researched data".


eta: Goddammit... Ninja'd.

 

[Crossbow]

My claim?

Yes indeed your claim about how telepathy is real.

Just like your claim about how you saw space vehicles that were not made by humans.

 

[Dumb All Over]

King of the Americas, I thought you and I had an agreement. It looks like you are backing down from that agreement. No problem. I understand. I am a reasonable person and fully understand if you want to back out. I won't hold it against you. No harm, no foul.

Cheers,
DAO

 

[Fudbucker]

Well yes I do assert it in this post, but it isn't an assertion it's now a matter of fact. If I get chance when I'm on my PC I'll drag the various links and post.

At certain scales we really have reality pinned down completely accurately. Any information flow from one brain to another has to be in accordance with what we now know to be how reality works. The gaps that the claimed supernatural telepathy could have lived in have been fully described.

I'm sorry, I didn't know our knowledge was so vast. Maybe you can also express such certitude about which interpretation of QM is correct, whether other universes exist, how life started, what consciousness is and how it arises, and what the 95% of the universe we have no idea about actually is.

Until then, I'm skeptical of the kind of certainty you are sure of.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I'm sorry, I didn't know our knowledge was so vast. Maybe you can also express such certitude about which interpretation of QM is correct, whether other universes exist, how life started, what consciousness is and how it arises, and what the 95% of the universe we have no idea about actually is.

Until then, I'm skeptical of the kind of certainty you are sure of.

Just plain naughty. Not what Darat was saying at all, No need to bring all this other stuff into the discussion.
Did you watch the video I linked to? It explains quite clearly how, despite that fact that we don't know everything about everything (scientific strawman if ever I heard one), we can be certain that telepathy does not exist, at least not here on earth.
There is a difference between skepticism and closed-mindedness, the difference being a willingness to devote 10 minutes of your life to educating yourself.

 

[sackett]

Telepathy is like UFOs: to a believer, the absence of evidence is just further proof that the phenomenon is real.

No, I don't know how that works. Some failing in me, doubtlessly. Alas.

 

[Donn]

Telepathy is like UFOs: to a believer, the absence of evidence is just further proof that the phenomenon is real.

No, I don't know how that works. Some failing in me, doubtlessly. Alas.

The absence of evidence is the absence of absence!

 

[King of the Americas]

Yes... YOUR claim.





Right there... in YOUR opening post to this thread.

Stop wheeling the goalposts around and decide what you'd like to test for, and how you'd like the testing be conducted.


You might also consider losing some of that "troll" taint you keep hauling around by pointing us toward that "well researched data".


eta: Goddammit... Ninja'd.

Yawn...

Do you want to help or not?

 

[King of the Americas]

At an agreed time, I will shuffle a deck of cards. I'll turn them over and concentrate on each card for five seconds. I will post the series as a hash. You will post your guess. I'll then decode the hash and we can compare your answers. Let's agree on a number of cards you need to guess correctly. I would say that 10 cards would be a show that would merit a repeat test. After two tests, we can devise a more sound scientific test with witnesses.

Time and date?

Number and suit? 10 cards...?

So, each place, with the correct number and suit will be counted as one right answer, or ALL 10 must be right to declare a positive result?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Yawn...

Do you want to help or not?

No useful response to most of the replies to your posts.

No evidence.

Treating members with weary contempt.

Do you think this attitude is going to get people on board?

 

[Fudbucker]

Just plain naughty. Not what Darat was saying at all, No need to bring all this other stuff into the discussion.
Did you watch the video I linked to? It explains quite clearly how, despite that fact that we don't know everything about everything (scientific strawman if ever I heard one), we can be certain that telepathy does not exist, at least not here on earth.
There is a difference between skepticism and closed-mindedness, the difference being a willingness to devote 10 minutes of your life to educating yourself.

We can't be entirely certain of anything, but the bolded stands out. You're giving yourself wiggle-room. Why would alien brains allow psi-powers while human brains don't? Are you opening the door to the existence of psi powers in possible non-humans? What about psi abilities present in possible advanced machine intelligences?

 

[Donn]

We can't be entirely certain of anything, but the bolded stands out. You're giving yourself wiggle-room. Why would alien brains allow psi-powers while human brains don't? Are you opening the door to the existence of psi powers in possible non-humans? What about psi abilities present in possible advanced machine intelligences?

Yeah, let's shift the dramatic evidence of impossible things to imaginary aliens. It's a better fit.

 

[Fudbucker]

Yeah, let's shift the dramatic evidence of impossible things to imaginary aliens. It's a better fit.

I wasn't the one restricting my claim to Earth. Assuming aliens exist, do you believe it's possible some have psi abilities? If so, the same questions apply to you that I asked Cosmic. If not, what are you basing the impossibility on?

 

[King of the Americas]

No useful response to most of the replies to your posts.

No evidence.

Treating members with weary contempt.

Do you think this attitude is going to get people on board?

Respect has and will always be extended where it is offered.

Offer helpful advice or not.

Volunteer or not.

Characterizations of me are unwelcome.

 

[King of the Americas]

Telepathy is like UFOs: to a believer, the absence of evidence is just further proof that the phenomenon is real.

No, I don't know how that works. Some failing in me, doubtlessly. Alas.

Sorta...

Small amounts of conclusive proof in a sea of fakery means 'real'...not doubtful.

 

[Agatha]

Have you any of this "conclusive proof"?

 

[Donn]

I wasn't the one restricting my claim to Earth. Assuming aliens exist, do you believe it's possible some have psi abilities?

Oh, you scamp! Of course your's is the more open mind. Silly me.

If so, the same questions apply to you that I asked Cosmic. If not, what are you basing the impossibility on?

I base it on the same old same old. Arguments from ignorance. Special pleading. Psi of the gaps. Blah. Blah. Pull the other one.

 

[Donn]

Have you any of this "conclusive proof"?

He could go all Jabba on it; begin summing infinities; but I think this one lacks even such panache.

 

[Fudbucker]

Oh, you scamp! Of course your's is the more open mind. Silly me.

I didn't say anything about open-minded. The person I was talking to mentioned "at least on Earth". That naturally begs several non-earth questions. Please keep up.

I base it on the same old same old. Arguments from ignorance. Special pleading. Psi of the gaps. Blah. Blah. Pull the other one.

Thanks for the answer.