Telepathy Debate in London

Here is one of my main problems with telepathy:

Posted by T'ai Chi
1. one, let alone 200+ people, can do telepathy at will or effortlessly for 2hrs straight (the length of the conference), all together
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Now your over-riding point here I don't have a problem with. But you seem to counter-assume that telepathy is not easy, that it can not be done effortlessly. Indeed the overwhelming majority of people that believe in telepathy also believe this. It makes no sense to me. If telepathy is real I think it would have to show that the world is at the very least dualist, if not straight out immaterialist. There seems to be no physical process in the materialist view of the world that can currently account for telepathy, or even conceive of how it might work. So, if telepathy is an immaterial process, and not a physical one, why would it be phsyically difficult? Since my "mind" can think and imagine effortlessly, then it should also be able to communicate effortlessly via "telepathy" with other "minds". To me the obvious reason it is assumed telepathy is difficult is because it provides an easy-out and excuse for whenever poor results are obtained. Its a fallback for when results are inconclusive or vague. If someone can point me at an in-depth description of the telepathic process, or any mediumship process and convincingly argue why it is assumed its a difficult and draining process, I'd gladly read it.
 
Tricky said:
To me, the greatest evidence that telepathy doesn't exist is the invention of the telepathic telephone, the telepathic television the telepathic radio and the telepathic camera. That's right, they're not even on the drawing board. People have been suggesting that telepathy existed practically since the invention of language, but in all these thousands of years, not one single practical paranormal device has ever been produced.

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Exactly. And, where are the "Super" users, the people who can perform telepathically consistently well?? One would suppose that after 1,000's of years there would be a genetic pool of such folks.

Ahh - but these "powers" don't seem to conform to the norm found for other physical/mental abilities. One has to wonder why this is so - and why credophiles are not troubled at all by this fact and take solace in statements like this [from Monatgue Keen];

“We are dealing with a mysterious faculty that does not subscribe to the normal rules governing the senses, cannot be turned on and off to order, and which manifests itself in all manner of odd ways and unpredictable occasions.”
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Barkhorn.
 
Upchurch said:
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WHAT??? ARE YOU BLIND!!! Can't you see that it was a cleverly-placed advertisement by the "International Toasted Onion Bagels with Cream Cheese Council"?!!
 
Originally posted by Barkhorn1a

. . . where are the "Super" users, the people who can perform telepathically consistently well?? One would suppose that after 1,000's of years there would be a genetic pool of such folks.
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I dunno. If people could read everything else that another person were thinking, do you seriously suggest they'd find it easier to get tapped up?
 
whoa... I read Shemp's reply because Shemp is, quite frankly, always worth reading. And then I backed up from there. As I really don't pay attention to Interesting Ian's statements, imagine my surprise to find out the immaterialist is having a tantrum. Okay, well, it wasn't a surprise. But man, some people take toasted bagel replies very very seriously. I'll keep that in mind for future reference.

I mean, the whole "free speech" concept can't apply to Ian's posts, can it, nor can thread deviation. It seems it has to be all about Ian and what Ian wants.


Oh, and Shemp, it's the "International Cream Cheese with Toasted Onion Bagels Council" and their dastardly plot to take over the world.... starting with this one thread. :D
 
One of the main excuses that is used by believers in telepathy for not taking the JREF challenge is that it "cannot be turned off and on at will". While this is an obvious cop out for their inability to support their claims, still we should be able to find a way around it.

The obvious solution to this problem is simply to take a large enough sample. With enough repetition, even a small significant difference from random should emerge. Of course, it will then be incumbant upon the challenger to define what percentage of the time telepathy can reasonably expected to work. If it is ten percent, then you must take a sample size ten times greater than would normally be needed to show statistical significance. If it is 2%, then a 50X sample would be needed. This would amount to some hardship on the participants and the observers, but I would guess it might be worth a million dollars.

So believers, what would you say would be a good estimate for the percentage of time that telepathy works in the average population? What about in trained clairvoyants? Is it a number greater than zero?
 
Suezoled said:
whoa... I read Shemp's reply because Shemp is, quite frankly, always worth reading. And then I backed up from there. As I really don't pay attention to Interesting Ian's statements, imagine my surprise to find out the immaterialist is having a tantrum. Okay, well, it wasn't a surprise. But man, some people take toasted bagel replies very very seriously. I'll keep that in mind for future reference.

I mean, the whole "free speech" concept can't apply to Ian's posts, can it, nor can thread deviation. It seems it has to be all about Ian and what Ian wants.


Oh, and Shemp, it's the "International Cream Cheese with Toasted Onion Bagels Council" and their dastardly plot to take over the world.... starting with this one thread. :D
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Hmmmm . . . I think I might blast out Pink Floyd's "dark side of the moon".
 
Interesting Ian said:
Then I suggest that you gain a greater understanding of what is meant by spam.
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Then I suggest that Upchurch is enlightened by your blinding knowledge. Tell him, then. What is meant by spam?

Interesting Ian said:
Oh I see. So am I also allowed to post something entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand??
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(Can I? Can I? Please??? :D)

(OK.)

Ian, you never seem to do anything else.

Interesting Ian said:
Good, then I will do so. I'll start doing it to Suzelod's conversations and your conversations. How would you like that??
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Childish.

Interesting Ian said:
In order to win the war we need to get intellectuals over to my side.
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So far, you are doing a very lousy job.
 
Tricky said:

Oooo! Do "That Great Gig In The Sky". I've never been able to understand the lyrics.
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I prefer the 2nd side excluding "money" (of the original black vinyl disc i.e "us and them" onwards).
 
Suezoled said:


Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn
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Damn! I need Internet Explorer to go on the National Lottery! :mad: Oh well, better fire it up.
 
Interesting Ian said:


Damn! I need Internet Explorer to go on the National Lottery! :mad: Oh well, better fire it up.
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yup. Y're showin' me. Yup.

But then again, "every sperm is sacred..."
 
Suezoled said:


yup. Y're showin' me. Yup.

But then again, "every sperm is sacred..."
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As usual, it is the innocent bystanders who suffer. This is T'ai Chi's thread. Who does Ian think he's punishing?

If you're finished paying your "bad at math" taxes, Ian, would you care to answer my question,
What would you say would be a good estimate for the percentage of time that telepathy works in the average population?
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Just a ballpark figure will do.
 
Interesting Ian said:


Yes I agree it is indeed fantastic! :) They heard the evidence on both sides, realised there is no evidence for the skeptical model of reality, and made their decision accordingly :)

The war against the skeptics might be won yet! :D
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Ian,

Indeed the audience enjoyed going to a scientific debate as they normally got their science knowledge from Bella and Best. However, before you celebrate imagine what they thought of your anti-materialism theories .:D
 
I had a toasted bagel with my lunch! Does that mean I have the Power? Or Suezoled? Or both?
 
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