Telekinesis

thelight

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Dear All,

I would like to demonstrate telekinetics for the million dollar challenge, and I feel extremely confident about the chance of success. In fact, this is such a routine in my daily life.

I need to ask some questions first to JREF, and I was just wondering how to contact Kramer. Does anyone know?
 
Ask us first, that way you can make a good first impression when you write to Kramer.

How are you going to show your ability?
 
Hi thelight,

How did you discover you have this power? Will you be able to produce affidavits from people who have witnessed this ability if you are asked to?

Glad to see you've joined the forum! Welcome!
 
Let's try to get you off on the right foot. My suggestion is to start here:

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

1. Read and understand the challenge rules linked from that page before doing anything. This is actually the only step JREF requires before you apply (though note there are many steps to the application process after that). I note though that it may save you time, frustration, and resources if you look at my other suggestions listed below before applying.

2. Read the FAQs linked from the page I listed above. It will give you a better understanding of the entire process. If some part of the process is still unclear, people here may be able to help clarify things.

3. Attempt to form a simple test protocol for yourself to test whether you can consistently reproduce results. People here can be of assistance with that.

4. Locate someone willing to give a few moments of their time that you feel can objectively judge if you are able to demonstrate your claim. Some people are uncomfortable revealing their belief in the paranormal out of fear of the reaction. Assuming you have completed suggestion 3, a good approach is probably to simply say that you've been experimenting with something and have surprising results. Then ask if they'd be willing to examine it with you to determine if they see what you see.

5. Read some of the challenge applications linked from the above page. That link isn't working right now since the server change, but will probably be fixed by the time you get to this step. Otherwise, folks here can help you find it pretty quick. Try looking at what problems other applicants have had to anticipate any you may run into yourself.

6. Create a brief statement of what ability it is you are going to demonstrate, and design a robust test protocol for you to demonstrate for the challenge. Such a protocol needs to be double-blind. You need not describe how you think your ability works, just the statement of what it is and how you will demonstrate it. Also, consider how less-honest persons might attempt to fake a display of this power and look for controls that will prove you are not using such means. Again, people here can help with this step if you ask, including understanding what it means for a test to be double-blind.

7. I would suggest you perform one or more of these double-blind tests so that you can be confident in their success when it comes time to take the preliminary test. If you were to fail the preliminary test due to unforseen issues, it would prevent you from retesting for an entire year at least.

8. After all of the previous steps are complete, it is time to officially apply for the challenge. After you have applied, Kramer will contact you to continue the application process.

Note that failure at any given step should make you pause to consider why. It indicates a problem you may encounter later in the application process that would be easier to fix now than after you have begun the process.
 
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Belz... said:
Can you go to work by levitating all the way there ?
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Children, be nice!

If thelight "merely" has the telekinetic ability to stir her coffee in the morning, that would still
qualify as "routine" and definitely be sufficently superpowered t o win Randi's millions. Heck, Randi has agreed that the mere ability to deflect a candle flame via TK is paranormal (Cf. Beth Clarkson's application).

This said, some further clarification about what sort of telekinetic abilities you have (and how you plan to demonstrate them) would be helpful to us and essential to Randi.
 
Hope this thread doesn't turn out like others and get totally derailed. Hopefully everybody can leave here more educated.

Anyway, welcome thelight! Please be more specific with your application, and do answer those questions requested of you, so that we can establish what your ability is and how we can test it. Looking forward to hearing more.
 
Actually my telekinetic ability is limited to living things only, such as human beings and animals. Dogs (especially dobermanns) are particularly easy to "repel" because they have such intense anger.

I'm not special. Anyone can do this if they want to learn it!

Truthfully, my friend will be the one performing the demonstration because his power is far more convincing. My own ability is still at the amateur level. But I would like to apply on his behalf, because he can't speak English and is illiterate. He agrees to my proposal. Would this be OK for Kramer? I mean the applicant would be me, but the person who performs would be my friend.

Actually I've gone through the rules, but don't know where to start. :D
 
thelight said:
Truthfully, my friend will be the one performing the demonstration because his power is far more convincing. My own ability is still at the amateur level. But I would like to apply on his behalf, because he can't speak English and is illiterate. He agrees to my proposal. Would this be OK for Kramer? I mean the applicant would be me, but the person who performs would be my friend.
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No, the applicant has to send in an application. But you can help him of course. Are you sure your dogtrick is paranormal? What can you make these dogs do that is paranormal?
 
thelight said:
But I would like to apply on his behalf, because he can't speak English and is illiterate.
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How do you communicate?

BTW as far as I know you can't apply on behalf of someone else for the JREF challenge.

Also we are assuming you are serious - if you are joking then this whole thread a bit pointless. And I have to be honest - at the moment I personally am not convinced.
In two posts you have gone from:
"I feel extremely confident about the chance of success. In fact, this is such a routine in my daily life."
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"Truthfully, my friend will be the one performing the demonstration because his power is far more convincing. My own ability is still at the amateur level."

If your own power is even vaguely detectable then, really, apply yourself. It is for a million dollars.
If you're just mucking about then please don't bother. This will get real boring real quick.
 
If your friend is illiterate, he'll need someone to fill out the application for him - ditto on the not-speaking-English part. But it will all have to be in his name.

How do you propose to show this power? Does it always work on dogs - what if the dog isn't angry enough?
 
thelight said:
Actually my telekinetic ability is limited to living things only, such as human beings and animals. Dogs (especially dobermanns) are particularly easy to "repel" because they have such intense anger.

I'm not special. Anyone can do this if they want to learn it!

Truthfully, my friend will be the one performing the demonstration because...
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Years ago I would have to walk past this house on my way home from work. They had a German Shep., and they let it wonder around the front of the house and even outside the front gate which was severly annoying as it would bark endlessly at everyone and make you feel quite uncomfortable.

One day, I was in a particularly annoyed mood about something trivial I am sure, but I was walking toward the house dreading the bloodie dog making me feel slightly scared again. I walk past and the dog aint there! You beaut!! As I continue walking, the mutt came storming from somewhere, ran behind me, barked a sh*tload and scared the bejesus out of me. As I was not in a forgiving mood of sorts, and having myself embarressed in broad daylight (no one around...but you know...er) I got angry and turned and snarled at the dog!...he ran...pardon, *bolted* hardcore!

I had to laugh...all that time fearing this thing biting me and hahaha naturally we were likely scared of each other etc etc... Im not bothering to wonder about the dogs mind or my minds interpretation, as that kind of body language interpretation is a given, but it goes to show, just because the dog decided to bolt was not some mind trick. To the dog, I did not back off and it got scared and bolted!

Generally if a dog is vicious, you can lower yourself, put your hand out and yes not every time but a lot I find the dog will appeal to you. This is stuff they teach you at pet training classes. Like learning to speak body language to someone who cant understand english thoroughly. This is not some psychic phenomena.

My thoughts.
 
thelight said:
Actually my telekinetic ability is limited to living things only, such as human beings and animals. Dogs (especially dobermanns) are particularly easy to "repel" because they have such intense anger.

I'm not special. Anyone can do this if they want to learn it!

Truthfully, my friend will be the one performing the demonstration because his power is far more convincing. My own ability is still at the amateur level. But I would like to apply on his behalf, because he can't speak English and is illiterate. He agrees to my proposal. Would this be OK for Kramer? I mean the applicant would be me, but the person who performs would be my friend.

Actually I've gone through the rules, but don't know where to start. :D
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I was disappointed. I'm a starwars fan.
I thought you would be able to attract a lightsaber on a table onto your hand like a Jedi.

If i'm not wrong, repelling dogs isn't exactly telekinesis.

But then it sort of qualify as a Jedi mind trick.
So what is it that your friend is able to do that you cannot?
 
OK I'm sensing lots of doubt and misunderstanding. Here's what I meant:

I stand still. Someone comes attacking using a "flying kick" technique. Before the person even touches me, he suddenly got repelled back in the direction he originally came from. And I never even touch the person.

The tricky part: The attacker must be intensely and genuinely be angry for this demonstration to work. Since this is difficult, we could substitute the man with a dobermann. Dobermanns have very intense anger. The trick to make this safe is to put a "cage" over the dog's mouth (dunno what's it called).

What can my friend do that I can't? My friend can actually repel the person backwards. I can only slightly alter the attacker's trajectory, just enough for him not to touch me. It doesn't look too convincing, and is subject to debate that it is trickery on the part of the attacker.

But my friend's ability is pretty convincing because it clearly defies Newton's law of motion.

The problem is, my friend can only speak Indonesian. He lives in Indonesia and can't read or write very well.

So, what do you guys reckon? Is this "paranormal"?
 
Hey everyone! It's Yellow Bamboo all over again! :D :D :D

thelight (and I shall be serious even though I think I know who you really are...), can I suggest you search this forum for threads about a nefarious organisation called Yellow Bamboo. Then read up on how pathetic they really are. Then watch the videos - MOST amusing and educational! In summary, they are a bunch of rip-off merchants who con suckers out of money for painfully non-existant self-defence powers.

And I can't help but notice that your "claim", such as it is, has changed once again from vague "telekinesis" to "my friend stares down dogs" to "I can repel karate kicks without touching". If you are still being serious (and I now suspect you are not), try settling on one specific claim for the Challenge. Or your application will probably be refused because you aren't being the slightest bit serious about it - it's actually a serious Challenge!
 
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Defying Newton law of motion? Do you want to take this back?

Does it work with "intense fear" instead of "intense anger" ?
Do ask your friend. Don't presume.

It might be easier to arrange for a dog that is intensely fearful than to find a dog that is truely and intensely angry. Some angry dog are just timid but very loud.
 
How would you go about making the dog angry enough to attack you? Unless it was a trained guard dog which would attack anyone on command.

Also, how often would the dog have to attack you and be repelled? Ten times out of ten? The dog may be bored with this, so you may need more than one dog.

One thing which you need to consider before applying is what would constitute a failure? That is, you need to be able to say "If X happens, then I have failed to prove my ability."

I guess that for a control sample there would also need to be a volunteer to be attacked by the same dog who could not repel it. You may find it hard to get someone willing to be repeatedly attacked by a doberman. :)

Is this the only manner in which your ability can be demonstrated? For example, can you (or your friend) not do something simpler like causing a ping-pong ball in a sealed jar to move? The simpler the test is, the better. Being repeatedly attacked by dogs is clearly not "simple".
 
thelight said:
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So, what do you guys reckon? Is this "paranormal"?
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I recon your sillyness borders on paranormal. But doesn't quite make it.

And I don't think you are serious about taking hte JREF challenge. You are just tryng to get a little attention.

Hans
 
StoatBringer said:
How would you go about making the dog angry enough to attack you? Unless it was a trained guard dog which would attack anyone on command.
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I'd really enjoy seeing this claim tested. Watching well-trained dogs do their job is a thrilling sight to behold, and this could be as entertaining as yellow bamboo. And it doesn't sound too hard. The key is in the suggestion above.

There are lots of police dogs, schutzhund dogs, etc. that go through training and trials all the time, and need people to practice on. Get a dozen or so well-trained dogs and their handlers from a police department or club, put three people in full protective gear, and have the dogs sent to attack them one by one, in random order. Neither the handlers nor the observers/photographers know which of the three victims is the applicant. If the dogs refuse to bite one of the three, we have a winner. You could set the numbers however you wanted--any bite on the applicant would be a loss, more than one bite would be a loss, etc.

What do you think, thelight? Could you do that?
 
So...if the assailant actually takes your head off the out is that he was not angry enough? Is that about it? So you are saying that the "power" can never be disproved, ie. you can not make a falsifiable claim.

Move on folks, nothing to see here.

Just a thought...if a nasty marine tells his nasty attack dog to hunt you down and kill you you will stand there and repel the dog?

Hahahahahahaahahahahaaaaahaahahahahahaaha

Sorry, this is stupid beyond reason.

Oh, and it is non-falsifiable for another reason: noone is going to sic an un teather dog on you (I assume that a teather would be interpreted by the dog in some woo way that would make him less angry or some such crap)
 
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