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Teddy Muhammad

I'm now straining not to have a knee jerk reaction to her being imprisoned and then deported however I'm struggling.

Bloody bunch of idiots - no wonder your country is in the state it is if this is the level of rationality in your society.
 
Ian Osborne said:
No, it's absolutely outrageous that blasphemy is a crime at all, anywhere (including the UK, though I'm certainly not suggesting our blasphemy laws are comparable with Sudan's). As you rightly say, it's an abomination, even in its accurate, unexaggerated form. Let's not allow our emotions to get in the way of our scepticism, though. However bad this is, the teacher is very unlikely to be 'facing 40 lashes', so let's stick to the facts.
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Why do you say it's unlikely for the teacher to get 40 lashes? I really hope she doesn't, but it doesn't seem unlikely at all.

This is Sudan. This is the same country where the government is not-so-secretly supporting ethnic cleansing private militias. Next to that, whipping an innocent elderly woman is nothing.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/16/AR2007041600130.html
 
slingblade said:
I submit you have not been to the NOW site, and have not read any of the articles I was able to pull up with simple search terms, such as "Islam" and "Sharia."

I therefore dismiss your allegation ["NOW has been utterly silent on the suffering of women in "original" cultures (such as Sudan's)"] as being without a factual basis, due to absence of research.

And no, I don't have a LIIIINNNNKK!
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I got a link:

http://www.now.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=islam+sharia&s=RPD&ul=&cmd=Please+wait...

My search only turned up three articles. One was the annual report from 2004 in which I was only able to find the mention in regards to womens rights in Afghanistan, the other two were from 2005 and concerned about the rights of women in the Iraqi constitution.

That's not utterly silent, but it's pretty close.
 
Statement from the Muslim Council of Britain:

MCB Appalled At Sudanese Decision to Charge Gillian Gibbons

The Muslim Council of Britain is appalled at the decision of the Sudanese authorities to charge the British schoolteacher, Gillian Gibbons, for allegedly 'insulting religion'.

"This is a disgraceful decision and defies common sense. There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith. The children in Ms Gibbons' class and their parents have all testified as to her innocence in this matter. We call upon the Sudanese President, Umar al-Bashir, to intervene in this case without delay to ensure that Ms Gibbons is freed from this quite shameful ordeal," said Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, Secretary-General of the Muslim Council of Britain.
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Well said, MCB.

The Foreign Secretary, however, is merely 'disappointed'.

The incident took place in September, so why has she only just been arrested? Plainly the whole thing is political:
(From BBC News site)
Sudan's top clerics have called for the full measure of the law to be used against Mrs Gibbons and labelled her actions part of a Western plot against Islam.
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The cover story (that 'several parents' complained to the police, who were then bound to investigate) is ridiculous. The clerics are demonstrating (successfully, it would seem) that the government and the courts are their puppets. Whether the incident was deliberately manufactured for this purpose, or merely appropriated, is not clear. My guess is that the Sudanese government is hoping that the UK (and the West in general) will see the sentence as a lenient compromise.

They need to be swiftly disabused of that notion.
 
mummymonkey said:
15 days in a Sudanese clink. Lovely.
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An appropriate response to this would be to bomb the presidential palace in Khartoum.

Too bad you Brits don't have a George Bush or a Dick Cheney available to get that sorted out, eh?

DR


(Please note a modest amount of sarcasm in the post.)

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(From BBC News site, courtesy of Lucky, thanks. :) )
Sudan's top clerics have called for the full measure of the law to be used against Mrs Gibbons and labelled her actions part of a Western plot against Islam.
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I suggest the UK demonstrate to these wankers what a Western plot against Islam might look like. A squadron of Tornado jets, bombs on about a dozen mosques in Khartoum.

Rock the Casbah.

Then they will have room to piss and moan. Teach them the meaning of the term "against Islam."
 
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I think they pinched the idea form Israel.They recently had TeddyHate of their own with a character on a TV show bein gdone for inciting kids to be terrorists or something.Anyway the character was killed by PLO bunnies or something.

We should respond by kicking out some Sudanesse from UK or giving them 40 lashes!
So she gets deported as well?! Wow..wild horses would have to stop me leaving once my time was up in clink.

I say Nuke em.
 
So, Darat, Teek, has anyone on your side of the pond looked up how much foreign aid y'all give to Sudan these days? I'll bet it's too much.
 
So what is happening to the bear? Probably getting away with crucifixion?
 
BPSCG said:
So, Darat, Teek, has anyone on your side of the pond looked up how much foreign aid y'all give to Sudan these days? I'll bet it's too much.
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Yes, I thought that. Foreign aid with strings attached is a dangerous concept, but in this case, I'd be happy to withdraw all aid to Sudan pending that woman's immediate release.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Nope.

Not positive.

You have been in Whoville too long, Darat. Whoville means bloody eff all in the Sudan.

DR
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Couldn't disagree more with your opinion that Sudanese people in Sudan complaining and protesting against this is not positive. How do you think the situation will ever improve if Sudanese people don't start to complain and protest about this type of stupidity?
 
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BPSCG said:
So, Darat, Teek, has anyone on your side of the pond looked up how much foreign aid y'all give to Sudan these days? I'll bet it's too much.
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Ian Osborne said:
Yes, I thought that. Foreign aid with strings attached is a dangerous concept, but in this case, I'd be happy to withdraw all aid to Sudan pending that woman's immediate release.
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It depends what the aid is - if it is direct humanitarian aid I wouldn't want it to stop because of this. (For all this is stupid, for all it is atrocious it is not as atrocious as not helping people in dire need.)
 
In order not to offend you with links, I will adopt the assertion style you seem to prefer.

Tokenconservative said:
It manifests itself in the West because of libs.
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No it doesn't.

Tokenconservative said:
You don't have many conservatives nodding sagely and agreeing that it would indeed be a good idea if Muslims in their countries were to face a religious law, not the constitutional laws of the democracies in which they live.

Tokie
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Yes you do. Especially the religious conservatives. They do it all the time.
 
I'm a bit appalled by all the outrage here.

Of course, the sentence is ridiculous and nonsensical.

It's a country where women can get punished (more severely) for being raped. She should have known that the name muhamed could have given her trouble, of course it shouldn't have, but she could have known.

The fact that people here are so much more outraged over this, compared to the raped women getting whipped, is because she's one of us.

The outrage is overly selective, biassed, racistic and intolerant (though admittedly not on par with the intolerance of the Sudan court).

..

Meanwhile I've decided to call my reproductive organ: "The bearded prophet Muhamed", in protest to ALL that is wrong in countries where Islam reigns. Also I will refer to my rectum as: "Jesus Christ our lord and saviour", mainly to remind myself Islam is not alone in it's intolerance.
 
There is another thread about the Saudi lady.

I don't think people here are more outraged about the teddy bear lady.
 
SomeGuy said:
It's a country where women can get punished (more severely) for being raped. She should have known that the name muhamed could have given her trouble, of course it shouldn't have, but she could have known.
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Rubbish. How on earth could she have known that naming a soft toy Mohammed, a common boy's name and chosen by the children themselves, would land her 15 days in a Sudanese jail? What utter tosh.
It's as if she'd been hauled up in front of the beak for stepping on the cracks in the pavement.
 
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