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Tea Party Smeared by ABC

Robert Prey said:
The Chick Fil A company does not discriminate in respect to customers nor employees.
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It doesn't?
You mean that that company hires openly homosexual employees?
Awesome.
You've convinced me that the brouhaha is unsupportable.
 
ravdin said:
While I was living in Oakland, there was a particularly ugly racist group and criminal organization with a front called "Your Black Muslim Bakery" (perhaps you've heard of them). They had a long an notorious history of extortion, rapes, kidnapping, and torture, but not only were they left alone by the authorities- they actually enjoyed the patronage of local politicians! They weren't shut down until their leader ordered a hit on Chauncey BaileyWP, a prominent journalist who was gunned down in downtown Oakland in broad daylight.

It's off topic to talk about Chik Fil A, but I'd say that no, they should not be shut down by force because of the political beliefs of the owner. They offer the same service to everyone, so it's not a valid analogy to compare them to an openly racist company. If you don't want them to have your business, then don't eat there.
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Robert Prey said:
Absolutely not. Even the ACLU would oppose such tyranny. The Chick Fil A company does not discriminate in respect to customers nor employees. The CEO merely has professed his Christian Belief that Marriage is between man and woman. Didn't that government school teach you anything about the First Amendment????? If his Christian beliefs are not to be respected then why should your non-Christian beliefs be respected????
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Okay then. What if he refuses to recognize gay marriages within the company?
 
Travis said:
And what if he was racist? Would you be okay with them forbidding an openly racist company from opening?
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Then you, I and anyone else can refuse to shop there. Stopping them from opening a business because the mayor does not like the CEO's politics is not the mayor's job.
 
Robert Prey said:
In the eyes of a liberal, all white, Christian Conservative Males are bigots. But not liberal Mayors who refuse to allow businesses whose CEO professes a religious belief that marriage is between man and woman. What a bigoted idea, eh?
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I don't think it is a bigoted idea but - I hope you're sitting down - I agree with you that it is a dumb idea. I don't support Mayors, liberal or conservative, who advocate the consideration of a business person's religious views when deciding zoning (or similar) matters.

Just to balance the issue, the conservative nutcase who wants to create an all-Catholic (or is it all-Christian) town is just as wrong. Ave Maria, Florida.
 
SezMe said:
I don't think it is a bigoted idea but - I hope you're sitting down - I agree with you that it is a dumb idea. I don't support Mayors, liberal or conservative, who advocate the consideration of a business person's religious views when deciding zoning (or similar) matters.
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I am a liberal who also thinks that proclamations of personal faith should have nothing to do with zoning/licensing matters.
 
Ladewig said:
I am a liberal who also thinks that proclamations of personal faith should have nothing to do with zoning/licensing matters.
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Ideally it shouldn't. But external issues seem to creep in all the time. See how many towns won't let in Wal-Mart because of disapproval of their business practices. I'd imagine if there were ever an overtly atheist business that we'd see all sorts of municipalities refusing to let them open up shop.

I'd prefer it if we didn't have bigots in charge of major corporations but it is a free country. I just won't give them my business.
 
Travis said:
Ideally it shouldn't. But external issues seem to creep in all the time. See how many towns won't let in Wal-Mart because of disapproval of their business practices. I'd imagine if there were ever an overtly atheist business that we'd see all sorts of municipalities refusing to let them open up shop.
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Baloney. That would be illegal and unconstitutional.
 
Robert... you haven't answered... if refusal to cover Fast and Furious or Chick-Fil-A defines "mainstream media" then does that mean we can disqualify any news agency that covered both? I would say there isn't a lot of "mainstream media" left.
 
Travis said:
Okay then. What if he refuses to recognize gay marriages within the company?
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That would be a violation of law if it is a law, which in most states, it is not. But that allegation is not in controversy, what "recognize" means, notwithstanding.
 
Ladewig said:
Unfortunately the Pew Research Center disagrees with you
http://www.people-press.org/2007/04...-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions/



Also, FoxNews viewers were more likely to believe things that were false (e.g. Iraq was behind 9/11) than Stewart/Colbert viewers were.


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ASIDE: if we ever create a sticky thread to define Dunning-Kruger, can someone make sure Robert Prey's post is included as an example.
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The study does not compare main stream news outlets versus non-mainstream news outlets But kindly give the exact quote where the Pew Study claims that FoxNews viewers were more likely to believe things taht were false such e.g., Iraq was behind the 9/11 than Stewart/Colbert Viewers????
 
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rustypouch said:
I'm wondering about something...

If MSNBC supposedly has a 'liberal' bias, why do they give Joe Scarborough, a Republican former Senator, three hours of air time every day? Wouldn't they choose to fill their programing will actual liberals?
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Actually, no. They'd pick conservatives who seemed a bit nutty and fringe so as to create confirmation bias in the righteousness of the liberal audience.
 
Robert Prey said:
Baloney. That would be illegal and unconstitutional.
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Robert Prey said:
That would be a violation of law if it is a law, which in most states, it is not. But that allegation is not in controversy, what "recognize" means, notwithstanding.
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Well at least we can agree on that.

Spindrift said:
Once again. A listing of examples is not a definition.

And I guess FoxNews is part of the mainstream media because they covered Chick-Fil-A

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1759360267001/chick-fil-as-gay-marriage-stance-draws-criticism
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No it is refusal to cover that story that makes you "mainstream" somehow.
 
SezMe said:
Yes, business practices. I don't think it has anything to do with Sam Walton's political views.
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I hate to have to be the one to break it to you, and this might come as a shock. Thankfully you're probably already sitting down at your computer.

Sam Walton is dead.
 
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