tea party / nazi party

[Magyar]

NO, I am not making racist anti-Semite comparisons here.


This new exhibit opening in Berlin and it got me thinking.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/16/world/europe/16hitler.html?pagewanted=1
Especially beginning with this quote-

“As a person, Hitler was a very ordinary man. He was nothing without the people.”

In this as well as his/Nazi parties populist appeal has many similarities with the Tea Party and it's debutantes like Palin.

The kind of people -( no I am not talking about the racism part here) the "disenfranchised, mostly uneducated in the sense that the vast majority of them like the Tea Party forks today, have neither the temperament or the intellect to try to understand the complex issues;
economy, immigration, unemployment, science and religion
So when a "messiah" comes along who has the ambition, and sadly nothing else, these people are willing to surrender reason and let themselves be led by the nose to anywhere.

Several books have been written and all kinds of statistics bear out that the vast majority of right wing voters vote against their self interest. While one can argue that they are doing this for magnanimous reasons from listening to them it's far more likely that they are bamboozled by the likes of Limbaugh and company.

Just like in the 30's there is a segment of today's powerful who are bending over backwards and against all logic to get Palin elected http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/14/AR2010101404794.html?hpid=topnews
or at least to be in a position of power and make every excuse conceivable to explain here stupidity and incompetence.

“Our teachers in the past, were integrated in that system, and I can remember they wanted to tell us that the German people became the first victim of Hitler, that they were practically mugged,” said Klaus Peter Triebel from Seefeld, near Munich.

I think that this quote is spot on for the vast majority of Germans in the 30's as well as the vast majority of the tea partiers today.

Again I don't want to Godwin this or turn it into the racist similarities.

However, I see a lot of similarities - the mostly unintelligent people who make up the tea party whose understanding of issues does not go deeper than the bumper stickers they put on their cars coupled with the disastrous decision of Citizens United I think the climate and the possibility of that road is possible.


Discuss

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Oh gee, what a surprise. Another "right-wingers/conservatives/tea-partiers are racist/stupid/Nazis" thread.

Remember, folks: ad hominems are only logical fallacies when they're used against you.

 

[Alt+F4]

In this as well as his/Nazi parties populist appeal has many similarities with the Tea Party and it's debutantes like Palin.

I don't think so.

The kind of people -( no I am not talking about the racism part here) the "disenfranchised, mostly uneducated in the sense that the vast majority of them like the Tea Party forks today, have neither the temperament or the intellect to try to understand the complex issues;

"A new Gallup Poll out this morning of 1,033 finds nothing fringe about self-proclaimed Tea Party adherents; they are slightly more likely to be employed, male and definitely more conservative. But otherwise Gallup's Lydia Saad writes, "their age, educational background, employment status, and race -- Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large."

and

"According to a New York Times/CBS poll, the 18% of Americans who support the movement are wealthier, more educated, and a lot more pessimistic than average."

 

[rwguinn]

This thread took longer to make it here than I expected

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

NO, I am not making racist anti-Semite comparisons here.

Racism and anti-semitism are not necessary to make smug, self-righteous, stupid and asinine comparisons.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Might i also add that when was the last time that they advocated total power in the hands of the state? When has their leadership been centralised to the same extent as the early nazi party? When have they got a militant thug arm that has been beating up left wingers with virtual impunity?

 

[The Charnel Expanse]

The NSDAP was able to rise quickly because the government of Germany at the time was non-functioning. No such situation exists in the U.S. today

 

[Pardalis]

Oh gee, what a surprise. Another "right-wingers/conservatives/tea-partiers are racist/stupid/Nazis" thread.

Remember, folks: ad hominems are only logical fallacies when they're used against you.

Yeah, instead of implying it now they're flat out calling them Nazis.

0/10 for subtlety.

 

[johnny karate]

Oh gee, what a surprise. Another "right-wingers/conservatives/tea-partiers are racist/stupid/Nazis" thread.

Remember, folks: ad hominems are only logical fallacies when they're used against you.

While I disagree with the OP, to be fair, a lot of the "right-wingers/conservatives/tea-partiers are racist/stupid/Nazis" threads are based on right-winger/conservative/tea partiers actually being racist (Carl Paladino), stupid (Christine O'Donnell), and dressing like Nazis (Rich Iott).

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

While I disagree with the OP, to be fair, a lot of the "right-wingers/conservatives/tea-partiers are racist/stupid/Nazis" threads are based on right-winger/conservative/tea partiers actually being racist (Carl Paladino), stupid (Christine O'Donnell), and dressing like Nazis (Rich Iott).

By "a lot" you apparently mean three.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

While I disagree with the OP, to be fair, a lot of the "right-wingers/conservatives/tea-partiers are racist/stupid/Nazis" threads are based on right-winger/conservative/tea partiers actually being racist (Carl Paladino), stupid (Christine O'Donnell), and dressing like Nazis (Rich Iott).

I'll give you the first two, Iott probably wasnt in range of an xbox360 to play Halo Reach, which would have meant that he'd have lived up to being a reall teabagger

 

[fuelair]

Oh gee, what a surprise. Another "right-wingers/conservatives/tea-partiers are racist/stupid/Nazis" thread.

Remember, folks: ad hominems are only logical fallacies when they're used against you.

Well, According to many jokes during the preWWII/WWII pd. Nazis were spoken of as if they were teabaggers (though admittedly that term is of more recent vintage) by conservatives and liberals alike.

While I agree the Nazis had a funny march and wore sillier outfits, they were much better at unison dancing and cheering - our teabaggers look like a fogey collection hunting for their lawn chairs and prune juice so they can sit out and yell at the neighbor kids.

YMMD - but it would be wrong if it does!!

 

[Pardalis]

By "a lot" you apparently mean three.

How do we call people who make hasty generalizations against an entire group of people again? Bigots right?

 

[johnny karate]

By "a lot" you apparently mean three.

How do we call people who make hasty generalizations against an entire group of people again? Bigots right?

In reading my original statement, it seems pretty obvious to me that "a lot" was referring to threads, and not the individuals the threads are about.

But hey, don't let a little something like basic reading comprehension get in the way of your clever zingers.

 

[Dorian Gray]

Yes, there are 3 or 4 threads about COD alone.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

In reading my original statement, it seems pretty obvious to me that "a lot" was referring to threads, and not the individuals the threads are about.

In reading your original statement, you used individuals names and not thread titles.



EDIT: Bah, Johnny's right. I glossed over the part where he specified "threads" in his OP. These "tea party = terrorist/nazi/racist" threads are so old and tired I kinda tune out while reading them. They're like a bad calculus lecture. This one is arguably the worst and most desperate.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Yes, there are 3 or 4 threads about COD alone.

Creating 3 or 4 threads about her doesn't make her 3 or 4 people.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Yes, there are 3 or 4 threads about COD alone.

i thought you were talking about Teabaggers on Call Of Duty there.

 

[Pardalis]

In reading my original statement, it seems pretty obvious to me that "a lot" was referring to threads, and not the individuals the threads are about.

But hey, don't let a little something like basic reading comprehension get in the way of your clever zingers.

You know, calling the Tea party "Nazis" is far more offensive and disrespectful to History than any one man who plays German soldiers on weekends.

But I guess you're too blinded by your rabid politics to see that.

 

[Ziggurat]

“As a person, Hitler was a very ordinary man. He was nothing without the people.”

What a bloody stupid quote. Hitler was (thankfully) rather far from ordinary. He was a charismatic sociopath.

In this as well as his/Nazi parties populist appeal has many similarities with the Tea Party and it's debutantes like Palin.

Not so much. Hitler was a believer in authoritarian government. The tea party... is opposed to authoritarian government.

The kind of people -( no I am not talking about the racism part here) the "disenfranchised, mostly uneducated in the sense that the vast majority of them like the Tea Party forks today, have neither the temperament or the intellect to try to understand the complex issues;

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Sounds like you're talking about the Democratic base.

Kidding aside, all you're doing here is engaging in an ad hominem attack against the tea party. Sure, you're not saying they're genocidal antisemites, but the actual intellectual validity of your accusation isn't any better, it's just not so offensive.

So when a "messiah" comes along who has the ambition, and sadly nothing else, these people are willing to surrender reason and let themselves be led by the nose to anywhere.

Except that's not what's happening. The tea party isn't centralized. You can't lead any large group "by the nose" if it's not centralized.

Several books have been written and all kinds of statistics bear out that the vast majority of right wing voters vote against their self interest.

The quality of such "scholarship" is... dubious. Furthermore, given the standard liberal cant about doing things for the good of society, the idea that someone voting against self-interest is inherently a bad thing is more than a touch ironic.

While one can argue that they are doing this for magnanimous reasons from listening to them it's far more likely that they are bamboozled by the likes of Limbaugh and company.

If you don't understand someone else's motives, it's not because you fail to grasp something, it's because they're stoopid.

Keep telling yourself that, Magyar. I'm sure it's a comforting fiction.

Again I don't want to Godwin this

And yet...

However, I see a lot of similarities - the mostly unintelligent people who make up the tea party whose understanding of issues does not go deeper than the bumper stickers they put on their cars coupled with the disastrous decision of Citizens United I think the climate and the possibility of that road is possible.

I suspect you don't have a clue about what Citizens United actually will do. Your own understanding is probably just bumper-sticker deep.