Merged Tea Baggers / Twooferreality

[Skeptic]

Someone should tell Lefty that "been there, done that, got the T-shirt" is a figure of speech.

 

[gtc]

Has anyone broken the news to lefty that his fantasies about politics are getting battier? Or because I'm still a bit new to his politics has anything changed at all?

He is more openly displaying his delusions but read a few of his posts from this thread and you will see its nothing new.

I particularly like the way he claims to have been on the backfoot due to his age and infirmity compared to the people he was abusing. But I bet the people he was abusing weren't armed. He seemed to get a fair bit of support from members on the left in that thread*. I don't think he would get such support now.

*boloboffin saying two people protesting against Obama were just like the terrorists about Flight 93 and 'evil'. Amapola demanding that people who think Leftysergeant is full of it prove that the 'neo-nazis' were innocent.

What is even funnier is that towards the end of the thread, lefty throws in a claim that the 'nazis' were sent there by the Republicans.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He is more openly displaying his delusions but read a few of his posts from this thread and you will see its nothing new.

He seemed to get a fair bit of support from members on the left in that thread*. I don't think he would get such support now.

*boloboffin saying two people protesting against Obama were just like the terrorists about Flight 93 and 'evil'. Amapola demanding that people who think Leftysergeant is full of it prove that the 'neo-nazis' were innocent.

In fairness to rational liberals who post here, I looked over that thread and saw at least one liberal who defended him in that thread and has abandoned him in this one.

Maybe it's because that thread was in the last weeks before the election and the pressure isn't as intense now. Maybe it's lefty's candid confession that he carries a gun to political rallies and looks for trouble.

Either way... those on the left and the right who champion civilized debate are to be commended.

 

[leftysergeant]

He is more openly displaying his delusions but read a few of his posts from this thread and you will see its nothing new.

I particularly like the way he claims to have been on the backfoot due to his age and infirmity compared to the people he was abusing. But I bet the people he was abusing weren't armed. He seemed to get a fair bit of support from members on the left in that thread*. I don't think he would get such support now.

I wasn't abusing anyone. I was reducing the possibility that someone else might start stomping on the little Nazi dirtbags, which was their intention. Take a stomping or give a stomping for the cause, it's all good for street cred among that sort of slimeballs, unless, of course, you have to explain to some big brute of a cell mate with kink on his mind how you wound up there for smacking an old disabled veteran around.

And I was not armed. I had just come out of a Joe Biden campaign event.

Of course, had it turned violent, I would not have been in much danger, given that there were about a hundred people, a good number of them Army veterans, watching and applauding the way I got in the thugs' faces.

The closest cop seemed to agree with my position, too. He flatly told the two to leave the parking lot immediately or face arrest. He just smiled at me and didn't even ask what started the confrontation.

 

[Sporanox]

I wasn't abusing anyone. I was reducing the possibility that someone else might start stomping on the little Nazi dirtbags, which was their intention. Take a stomping or give a stomping for the cause, it's all good for street cred among that sort of slimeballs, unless, of course, you have to explain to some big brute of a cell mate with kink on his mind how you wound up there for smacking an old disabled veteran around.

And I was not armed. I had just come out of a Joe Biden campaign event.

Of course, had it turned violent, I would not have been in much danger, given that there were about a hundred people, a good number of them Army veterans, watching and applauding the way I got in the thugs' faces.

The closest cop seemed to agree with my position, too. He flatly told the two to leave the parking lot immediately or face arrest. He just smiled at me and didn't even ask what started the confrontation.

You were reducing the possibility of a beatdown by assembling a riled-up crowd of Army veterans. Bang-up job, lefty. Bang-up job.

 

[gtc]

In fairness to rational liberals who post here, I looked over that thread and saw at least one liberal who defended him in that thread and has abandoned him in this one.

I agree. That is why I thought he would get less support for his previous actions.

 

[gtc]

The closest cop seemed to agree with my position, too. He flatly told the two to leave the parking lot immediately or face arrest. He just smiled at me and didn't even ask what started the confrontation.

Maybe its different down under but I have never seen a cop who would care who started a confrontation like that. Escalating a situation annoys them as much as starting a situation and they always look for the solution that seperates the two sides with the least amount of effort and the least chance for further trouble (at least the sensible ones do this). Telling the two to leave seems to fit that to a tee; given that you lot were on your way out anyway and co-ordinating the removal of a group of less than able and possibly crazed vets would be a lot of hassle.

 

[leftysergeant]

You were reducing the possibility of a beatdown by assembling a riled-up crowd of Army veterans. Bang-up job, lefty. Bang-up job.

Actually, a lot of them were getting kind of angry already, but most started laughing at the consternation that the two showed when they realized that they were not getting what they came for, rather like two Rottweilers being embarrassed by a yappy little Pomeranian.

 

[Sporanox]

Actually, a lot of them were getting kind of angry already, but most started laughing at the consternation that the two showed when they realized that they were not getting what they came for, rather like two Rottweilers being embarrassed by a yappy little Pomeranian.

Yes, I suppose that within the boundaries of your memory you can bend reality to whatever you wish. However, for the rest of us, it's clear that you started a confrontation and were inciting a mob.

 

[leftysergeant]

However, for the rest of us, it's clear that you started a confrontation and were inciting a mob.

Let's see, two people wearing absurd attire for the weather walked at least half a mile to be among people who despised their political views and began acting in an intimidating manner whish indicated they were looking for a fight, and I provoked an incident.

Sorry, I don't follow your logic.

The way they were dressed was typical of the white nationalist gangs in the area, as few in number as they may be, and was intended to be intimidating. Their posture as they approached groups of people was clearly intended to bew intimidating. They were acting in a way clearly intended to inspire fear.

Fear will cause people to do one of two things. Either they will get intimidated and back down, or pissed off and attack in percieved self-defense. The white nationalists are trained to use this basic priniciple to get away with some horrendous ass-whuppings and an occassional murder.

I was not about to let it get to the point where Biden supporters were going to be made to fear for their safety, or to the point that some otherwise decent bloke might over-react and seriouslly injure the thugs before they could commit a clear crime.

I gave them the choice of committing a crime that would get them arrested or gang-stomped with no legal recourse to seek redress of a grievance, or to go away.

There was, thus, no chance of a positive outcome for them, and everybody who mattered had a good laugh at them.

Where is the harm done?

(To anybody whose feelings matter, that is.)

 

[Skeptic]

The way they were dressed was typical of the white nationalist gangs in the area

Which, based on another thread your started, means "one of them wore a green shirt".

 

[Skeptic]

I gave them the choice of committing a crime that would get them arrested or gang-stomped with no legal recourse to seek redress of a grievance, or to go away.

I don't see what crime they were even supposed to commit. This means what you really did was to give them the choice to be beat up by your gang, or else to go away. You are a fascist, using gang violence to silence dissent -- and are proud of it.

What you are using is precisely the same sort of tactic the SA used to silence "communist saboteurs" or "Jewish murderers" or "Jesuit bloodsuckers" or whomever else they disliked from expressing their political views: threaten to beat them up with a gang of army veterans (most early SA men were ex-WWI soldiers) unless they go away.

They usually DID go away -- so, after all, where was the harm done?

(To anybody who was an Aryan, that is.)

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Which, based on another thread your started, means "one of them wore a green shirt".

In the interests of full disclosure, several of my posts in this thread were written while wearing a red polo shirt with an embroidered "Support the Troops" yellow ribbon emblem over the left breast.

Is that sufficiently fascist for you, Lefty?

 

[gtc]

I gave them the choice of committing a crime that would get them arrested or gang-stomped with no legal recourse to seek redress of a grievance, or to go away.

I very much doubt that you would have gotten away with physically assaulting them.

Which, based on another thread your started, means "one of them wore a green shirt".

No, two of them had on jeans and blue tank tops. You know, like what Hitler wore.

For some reason he sees a lot of significance in ordinary items of male attire.

 

[Sporanox]

Let's see, two people wearing absurd attire for the weather walked at least half a mile to be among people who despised their political views and began acting in an intimidating manner whish indicated they were looking for a fight, and I provoked an incident.

Yes, a swaggering walk typical of teenagers, attire typical of teenagers/young adults, and loud protesting. Yes, they were clearly looking for a fight.

What?

 

[Sporanox]

The way they were dressed was typical of the white nationalists in this area. They appeared to me to be looking for a fight. I decided that these fools presented a bit of a threat, since Biden and several other candidates were still in the area for VIP meet-and-greets, and the fools were headed toward the entrance to the stadium.

This seemed to me a bit less than acceptable.

In hindsight, actually, they were looking for a fight and an assassination. Again, beware those teenage protesters.

 

[Skeptic]

Oh my God! Two swaggering teenagers who disagree with my political views!!! That's an assassination squad if I've ever seen one! Quick, quick, round up a gang of veterans to beat them up if they try anything!

 

[leftysergeant]

Oh my God! Two swaggering teenagers who disagree with my political views!!!

Actually, tweo swaggering, muscular tough guys dressed like the local white nationalist gangs, trying to spoil the fun of a crowd of adults. spoiling for a fight. I have no doubt in my mind that Kenny and the idiot pastor from Montana were about the same thing at the Carnahan event. They created an event and it worked to the favor of the Tea Baggers, so far.

That's an assassination squad if I've ever seen one! Quick, quick, round up a gang of veterans to beat them up if they try anything!

There was not a very big security contingent around Biden, and even fewer city cops. A fight in one location leaves another less protected.

Anyway, what is wrong with making life miserable for dirt bags who harrass citizens who act responsibly? The thugs were not there for any peaceable purpose. Frankly, I was getting a little tired of their kind showing up whenever there was a political gathering of which they and the jerks on rightwing radio did not like. I have seen it come to counter-demonstrators trying to push old people off the sidewalks into traffic. It is time someone pushes back.

 

[carlitos]

Actually, tweo swaggering, muscular tough guys dressed like the local white nationalist gangs, trying to spoil the fun of a crowd of adults. spoiling for a fight. I have no doubt in my mind that Kenny and the idiot pastor from Montana were about the same thing at the Carnahan event. They created an event and it worked to the favor of the Tea Baggers, so far.



There was not a very big security contingent around Biden, and even fewer city cops. A fight in one location leaves another less protected.

Anyway, what is wrong with making life miserable for dirt bags who harrass citizens who act responsibly? The thugs were not there for any peaceable purpose. Frankly, I was getting a little tired of their kind showing up whenever there was a political gathering of which they and the jerks on rightwing radio did not like. I have seen it come to counter-demonstrators trying to push old people off the sidewalks into traffic. It is time someone pushes back.

Emphasis added.

 

[Skeptic]

This, too, carlitos, is typical fascism: all their violence is justified, "in their own mind", as merely "pushing back" against those evil people (Jews, Catholics, whomever) who dare disagree with them, and are no doubt planning some awful conspiracy.