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Skeptic said:
I don't see what's the big deal. "Evil white people go home!" is more or less standard issue "history lesson" in most college campuses.
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(Derail removed)

Yes, there are stupid racist people of every race. That is only tangentially related to this subject at all.
 
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tyr_13 said:
On that note, I predict that we will see more and more tea baggers trying to provoke 'lefties' into 'attacking' them. They really seem to love playing the victims. Remember the man 'assulted' trying to force his way into a full town hall meeting?
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That is exactly what they are doing. And they are known to be violent. A good example is the way they gang-stomped a pastor at the Carnahan event at which the snivelling lunatic Kenny Gladney claims he was gang-stomped.

In another thread, I posted video of a whackadoodle Tea Bagger going nuits and chasing three black people around , calling them "ACORN," and claiming that they assaulted him.

Coo-KOO! They're all nuts. Probably developmentally disabled, too. None of them can count.
 
leftysergeant said:
A good example is the way they gang-stomped a pastor at the Carnahan event at which the snivelling lunatic Kenny Gladney claims he was gang-stomped.
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What? Care to provide some evidence, lefty?

I knew Gladney was a potential bullcrapper, but I didn't hear much about that case afterwards.
 
I say we start a cage match between Lefty and Skeptic, record it on video, and then upload said video to Youtube for immense entertainment value - THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!11!!1

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Sporanox said:
What? Care to provide some evidence, lefty?

I knew Gladney was a potential bullcrapper, but I didn't hear much about that case afterwards.
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Gotta admit it is a little strange that a laid-off paralegal accuses a pastor who ran for mayor of assaulting him, and the key witness is a pain-in-the-butt fundie pastor from Montana, and the only video of anyone getting kicked is of Tea Baggers kicking the pastor whom Kenny accused.
 
Jeebus F'en Cripes, Are you off your meds?
Was that Super Vera, the crimefighting super hero beating the guy in the head with a piece of lumber?
 
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carlitos said:
First juvenile name-calling and now condoning of violence. I always like when the "left" shows their true colors. Reminds me of that Jonah Goldberg book.
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I wanted to thank you for putting that in quotation marks, carlitos. Not everyone who tends to lean left on these kind of issues is as nutty as our pal here.

Lefty, Skeptic: the cage is calling you boys, come on down! :D
 
Such ridiculously illogical argumentation could only come from leftyserg'.
Some (speculative) teaparty members are violent, therefore all are "sick people".

By the same logic,
Some Germans were violent Nazi's there for all Germans are despicable.
Some men are Plato, therefore all men are brilliant philosophers.

Anyone who can't find at least two additional logical errors in Lefty's subsequent postings in this thread needs a course in critical thinking.



I'm sure that some teaparty members are nasty individuals. OTOH the same is provably true of some on the left. Like some examples ?
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-finger-bitten-rally,0,7135717.story
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/violence-breaks-tea-party-rally/story?id=9137648

So what ? This is NOT representative of either side. Most people of either end of that political axis are neither prone to violence nor likely to try to prevent political speech of the others.

Of course the bone-headed half-wits on the polarized ends of each side ARE likely to MIS-characterize the other as only consisting of only the nasty sorts, and so we get the sort of extrapolation of lies from leftyserg' (and Beck& Hannity & Olberman & Maddow). "The OTHERS are pure evil" is an argument the only hate-filled promoters of unequal rights, disenfranchisement and in the end violence advocate. Nice job Lefty - you really showed again exactly who you are - dismissive but filled with lies and hatred.

Of course even the title includes the highly biased and derogatory "teabagger" term which is meant to show dismissal, and disdain for other's points of view. Lefty' isn't prepared to live in a civil society- he shows his intolerance for and hatred of other politcal POVs. and openly openly lies about (that is mischaracterizes) others. Such a tool !

The Teaparty's stated goals are against taxation, big government, deficit spending. That's hardly a silly nor a lightly dismissable concern.
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It would be trivially easy to characterize the Left in a similar dismissive, namecalling and stupid light, based on illogical arguments and extrapolations, but of course it's not part of any rational or civil discourse.

No - I'm not a Teabagger, nor even on the right/conservate in the conventional sense. OTOH it's clear that potty-mouthed liars spouting extrapolations about how "Other side are all evil" is a major cause of the incivility in US politics today. All heat & no light comes from these half-wit arguments (but that's par for randi.org).
 
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MattusMaximus said:
I wanted to thank you for putting that in quotation marks, carlitos. Not everyone who tends to lean left on these kind of issues is as nutty as our pal here.
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Thanks. While I'm more or less a libertarian Republican (and thus in the same category as Nazis per leftysergeant), I try not to label entire groups.
 
The Tea Baggers are violent and aggressive and lie at every opportunity. When you get right in the middle of somebody else's street demonstration and get right in his face, and you belong to a group known to be aggressive and nuts, expect to be physically removed from the area.

And too bad if you get hurt rssisting.

Too bad more trade unionists and Jews did not break some skulls in 1930.
 
leftysergeant said:
Gotta admit it is a little strange that a laid-off paralegal accuses a pastor who ran for mayor of assaulting him, and the key witness is a pain-in-the-butt fundie pastor from Montana, and the only video of anyone getting kicked is of Tea Baggers kicking the pastor whom Kenny accused.
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Ah, sure. This video, could you post it?
 
Sporanox said:
Ah, sure. This video, could you post it?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w

The guy on the ground getting stomped is Pastor Elston McCowan. Nowhere do we see anyone, in this video, whumping on punk-boy Kenny.

Interesting, isn't it, that the primary witness agaisnt McCowan is that jerk Harris Himes, who, interestingly, is wearing the same kind of shirt that Kenny is wearing, and is right there, all calm and collected, to start pointing out the actors to the cops, while one of the dirt bags who was kicking McCowan around and yelling that McCowan "attacked America," keeps the union people too busy to talk to the cops.

This was a calcualted setup by the Tea Baggers.
 
stevea said:
Of course even the title includes the highly biased and derogatory "teabagger" term which is meant to show dismissal, and disdain for other's points of view. Lefty' isn't prepared to live in a civil society- he shows his intolerance for and hatred of other politcal POVs. and openly openly lies about (that is mischaracterizes) others. Such a tool !
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It's their own chosen name, so it's hard to feel sorry that it 'mischaracterizes' their political point of view. It doesn't. Do you honestly believe that people are confused and think that it is an advocacy group for a sexual move? If they didn't want to be called tea baggers, they shouldn't have kept saying how they wanted to tea bag the federal government, Obama, etc.

The Teaparty's stated goals are against taxation, big government, deficit spending. That's hardly a silly nor a lightly dismissable concern.
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Their stated goals are primarily supported through logical fallacies, lies, and protests. There is nothing wrong with this last part, apart from the times when violence is used.

But then again, I'm not sure those are the tea parties goals. That is their rhetoric. Other goals stated by tea parties?

"You are not alone.
Send a message to the world.
Encourage people to stay involved.

Education: I see that the the Democratic party has gained control of this country by controlling what is taught in our education systems. This is a MUST action item for the next 10 years. School Choice is the obvious choice.

Borders: No nation can maintain its sovereignty without controlling it’s borders. For some reason we know this to be true, but do not act to make it so. Having undocumented citizens arrive uncontrolled is a security threat and a threat to the ideals we hold dear.

Taxation: Taxation must involve ALL members of the society. You cannot have layers of the population which do not carry any of the load. Do all members of your family contribute to the household chores? Well, I can see infants or severely handicapped not contributing much, but even children can have ways to help out around the house. Perhaps a poor example, but the poor need to pay some taxes so they can care how the money is spent. If they’re not paying, then why do they care if the money is being wasted? They don’t! That’s why Democrats don’t care–they understand it ISN’T their money anyway!"

Of course these are from blogs, but I thought the tea parties were grass roots and not supposed to have a central authority. :rolleyes:

There really isn't a lot to recommend about the crazy level tea baggers 'party patriots' take their ideas.


It would be trivially easy to characterize the Left in a similar dismissive, namecalling and stupid light, based on illogical arguments and extrapolations, but of course it's not part of any rational or civil discourse.
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That's funny, that's exactly what the tea baggers do. Congratulations on recognizing one of the main problems some of us have with them.

No - I'm not a Teabagger, nor even on the right/conservate in the conventional sense. OTOH it's clear that potty-mouthed liars spouting extrapolations about how "Other side are all evil" is a major cause of the incivility in US politics today. All heat & no light comes from these half-wit arguments (but that's par for randi.org).
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All your arguments against 'the left' here is actually applicable to the tea parties. If you had said these things about some specific group, like Code Pink, it would make sense. However, you seem to believe criticisms leveled at the teabaggers are leveled at 'the right'. They aren't. They are leveled at and only at (by myself anyway) the tea parties.

No, I don't agree with much of Lefty's rhetoric, but to dismiss the arguments against the tea baggers because those arguments contain 'name calling' is a logical fallacy. If it were only name calling, it would be one thing.

And what crack about randi.org do you think you're leveling here? That people don't reject criticisms that contain the words 'tea bagger' out of hand? Or are there too many liberals in here?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
People disturbed by two TRILLION dollar deficits, they are just right outta their gourds, aren't they?
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These fools didn't seem all that upset about the Shrub spending borrowed money to whack Saddam for no particular reason, so why start now?

They just want government to go away so that they can run the country.

None of them are bright enough, I can tell you that.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
People disturbed by two TRILLION dollar deficits, they are just right outta their gourds, aren't they?
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There are indeed a huge number of irrational, 'crazy' fears and beliefs around that deficit, yes. Is being worried about it in and of itself wrong? No. Is being so worried about it, all of a sudden, and thinking it will lead to the end of the USA/capitalism/etc with babies on pitchforks and people eating dogs 'just right outta their gourds'? Yeah, probably.
 
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