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TC329: If WTC7 collapsed into its own footprint, please explain this...

i am pretty sure that WTC7 was a Controlled Demolition.evidence? watch it "collapsing"

Wow what a neat game you play.
You have zero problem accusing innocent people of being involved in mass murder and your standard of evidence is
watch it "collapsing"

I hope that you are never accused of a crime and the prosecution turns around and uses that insanity on you.

Someone should nominate you for a stundie for that one!!
Congrats hope you win buddy!
 
So, in more or less one day we went from:

theauthor said:
You can give me another example of a building, apart from 9/11, that collapsed straight down? Go ahead.

to:


you are comparing that with the 47 storey wtc7 in manhattan that housed the mayors bunker and the CIA


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CD is far more likely.
One problem with this claim is that it necessarily requires affirmative support for both a motive for CD - exactly why should WTC 7 be deliberately destroyed? (none of the many explanations I have seen make any sense) - and for opportunity - exactly when and how were the extensive and obvious building prep and explosive rigging done? (such as would be required to assure a relatively "neat" collapse). Another problem is that it requires explanations for the lack of the very loud and distinct sounds of demolition charges going off, for the lack of any physical evidence of explosives and associated control mechanisms, and so on. Yet another problem is the host of other miscellaneous flaws and quirks with this scenario - why wait until the area around WTC 7 had been cleared to bring it down? why risk the additional complications and risk of discovery after destroying WTC 1 and 2 for essentially small incremental gain to the plot? how was the precise sequencing required for CD assured in a heavily damaged, burning building immersed in an ocean of RF emitters? and so on, and so on.

So, no, I can't at all agree that CD is "far more likely".

It has been proven hundreds of times to do to a building what was done to 7.
Make it fall down? True. And CD has also been proven to make structures fall over as well as down. And non-CD collapses have been proven to make structures fall down as well as over. So, while the collapse looks reasonably like CD, that is no evidence that it was CD.

Moreover, the claim made by so many that it's obviously CD raises the following question: if it's so obvious, why would the all-powerful evil geniuses do it that way, and not in a more "natural" way? Or simply not do it at all (see above)? And why do the vast majority of relevant authorities in academia and industry not blow the whistle for instant fame and fortune? It's not as if "truth" proclaimers are being hunted down by the gubmint - or if they are, the evil gubmint ninja assassin army is incompetent in a way staggeringly at odds with the grim, airtight efficiency of the rest of the conspiracy.

Or maybe they're just too busy knocking off all the scientists and engineers who were just about to blow the whistle on the faked Apollo Moon landings.

Fire hasn't.
As a firefighter, I need to point out that this statement is simply, categorically, inarguably, wrong. Fire can and has caused buildings to collapse - partially and totally; wood, steel, and concrete; small ones and large ones; down, out, and over.

(In another part of our county, an interior floor collapse due to fire dumped a three-man engine crew into the fire apartment. (We heard the Mayday call as we listened in quarters the other night.) Two of them are still hospitalized with burns and injuries. Maybe I should tell them they just imagined it?)

Of course, the statement is not really relevant anyway. Fire alone was not the cause of WTC 7's collapse; a major contributor was the damage caused by a quarter-mile skyscraper falling against it (evidently forgetting to stay within its own footprint). The heavy structural damage, widespread unfought fires, various sounds coming from the building, and observations of the building itself coming out of line were unambiguous collapse indicators observed by FDNY members (from the rank-and-file on up) long before it finally fell.


Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
 
That's right, focus on my mistaken reading of a line in the article and ignore the rest of what I said.
The fact is that the poor construction would equate to the state of the WTC 7 after the damage had been done. The structural integrity of WTC 7 was severely compromised. Something you completely ignore.
 
That's right, focus on my mistaken reading of a line in the article and ignore the rest of what I said.
Another failed fantasy of CD. You have zero facts, zero evidence, just post some short buildings that fell sideways. You are still in the 7th year and your posts have only proved you believe the hearsay and false information of 9/11 truth.

Got some more short buildings that burned all day and fell over sideways! Zip. Don't stop, show me the building that burned all day, with 20,000 gallons of fuel in it, and it looks like one of your fallen over small buildings. Got fire?

This is it, a rehash of debunked ideas by a new team of 9/11 truth… lack of knowledge is the only thing you have posted.

Next: rant in the form of many questions, or will 9/11 truth finally use some rational thought and answer questions themselves. It takes maturity, knowledge and experience to answer questions, when will 9/11 truth try it?
 
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how many hours WTC7 was on fire?
how many hours has a day in the US?
 
Gimme a break, Myriad. It was a poorly constructed 11 storey outhouse in egypt that had been illegally altered against regulations. The article even says that most collapses in egypt are due to poor construction and lax codes, They even mention loose bolts.


When the towers collapsed, wtc7 also got illegally altered against regulations. If it had not caught fire and collapsed, building code inspectors would have condemned it and no one would have been allowed to legally occupy the building after 9/11. Most likely the building could not have been repaired to a safe structural condition -- as was the case for other buildings that were less extensively damaged.

So, a structurally unsafe building in Egypt collapsed (straight down) from fire. A structurally unsafe building in New York collapsed (straight down) from fire. Still seems entirely consistent to me.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
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Has anyone pointed out the Kader Toy Factory fire to theauthor?
 
CD is far more likely. It has been proven hundreds of times to do to a building what was done to 7. Fire hasn't.
Then you should have no problem producing evidence of a CD of a building 47 stories or higher. When you do, can you also provide the time required to prep the building for demo?


I thought this deserved a response from theauthor. Since he seems to have missed it, I'm "bumping" it...
 
i wonder if NIST will invent some new goalposts in order to explain away the CD of WTC7

My money is on something like, 'single column failure due to normal office bldg fires.' And not just any column, it has to be the one column that if it failed would cause global collapse. This is the corner they've been backed into.
 
My money is on something like, 'single column failure due to normal office bldg fires.' And not just any column, it has to be the one column that if it failed would cause global collapse. This is the corner they've been backed into.

How normal is it for a 47 story building to be almost entirely engulfed in fire?

Heard about the cantilever support beams over the conEd substation?

Heard of silent demolition charges?
 
My money is on something like, 'single column failure due to normal office bldg fires.' And not just any column, it has to be the one column that if it failed would cause global collapse. This is the corner they've been backed into.

In the case of WTC7, this could be any number of columns. Remember, the building was precariously balanced over the Con Edison substation, and the footprint was actually SMALLER than the cross-section of the building.

In the minds of many experts, WTC7 was the poster-child of lax building codes in NYC.
 
If you are comparing that with the 47 storey wtc7 in manhattan that housed the mayors bunker and the CIA then the debunkers are more desperate than I realised.

OK, OK. Our mission is to find, other than WTC7, a 47-story building in Manhattan that was cantilevered over a power substation and housed the mayor's bunker and the CIA and was owned by a Jewish billionaire who had recently purchased a 97-year lease on a major property, that collapsed.

I believe I speak for everyone here when I say: We understand perfectly.
 
That's right, focus on my mistaken reading of a line in the article and ignore the rest of what I said.

Speaking of focus, can we focus for a moment on who you think destroyed WTC7, how they did it, and why they did it?

I know it isn't necessary to establish motive to find someone guilty of a crime. However, in this case, I believe it's essential.

Why, you may ask? Well, we're talking about an extremely complex, expensive, and risky operation with very little chance of success and no discernable benefit to be had. How could you possibly control all the variables -- the building damage, the fire, the place crawling with firefighters who might stumble across your nefarious plans? Not to mention all the continuing effort you would need to keep people quiet after the fact.

This might be something Kim Jong Il would attempt, IF he were a resident of New York, which he is not. I can't imagine anyone else being both rich and insane enough to even try something so ludicrously stupid. (And, given his track record of ill-advised projects, he wouldn't have succeeded.)

On the other hand, you could accept that the building collapsed from peripheral damage caused by a major terrorist attack that day. This eliminates the need for an insane number of unnecessary post hoc theories. It's simple, it's straightforward, and it's 100% consistent with reality.

Your choice.
 
The dishonesty here knows no bounds. Fire and fire alone was it? From your link:

Yes, fire alone. I don't see where you pointed out any structural damage or seismic trauma.

Fire is what caused this building to collapse. Do you deny this fact?
 
none of the wtc buildings completaly fell into their footprint, and the 9-11 deniars know it.

if they did fall into their footprint, wtc 7 would still be standing...as it was hit by the collapse of the 2nd tower.
 

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