Malachi151
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But in the process aren't you also creating more jobs for those skilled in technology? This is a good thing. The problem isn't that you're "killing" jobs, rather, it is that the would-be-temporarily unemployed aren't trying to acquire new skills.
Arguable. Not really. We have a company that employs about 30 people. Our company can then put hundreds of people out of a job.
What essentially happens in that part of the money saved by doctors by being able to fire people goes to us and part goes to him.
Now, what Victor is saying is all right. This is the situation though. I think that more wealthy view things the way Victor says, BUT there is a group of "conservatives" the Bushites or whatever, that maybe are just stupid or arrogant or ignorant, or they believe their own propaganda I don't what, but they are screwing this whole things up for everyone.
Who does a progressive tax benefit? Everyone, especially the wealthy. Who does welfare benefit? Everyone, mostly the wealthy. Who does Social Security benefit? Everyone, mostly the wealthy.
You see, all of these things take pressure off of the private system allowing the private system to be less responsible, which in turn allows the wealthy to be more wealthy.
Once you go to a flat tax and take away social programs, then what? then you have masses of unemployed people with no way to take care of themselves rioting and getting angery and stealing, and no one can maintian in that situation. To prevent that then the wealthy would have to start paying more and hiring more people just to give them something to do to keep them busy. The the price of labor would have to go up to keep discrepency down.
Now the Bush crew does not appear to be trying to to these things to favor the middle class or poor, they are trying to favor teh rich, but in doing so they are tearning down the system that sustains the rich for short term gain. So to me this all looks like pure stupidity.
The people that built America up after WWII, those people were not idiots, they were very smart and they built the strongest nation in the world out of that situation. Those people had "liberal" economic policy and it created a stable and solid economy tha benefited evreyone, and thus ultimately the rich.
Some rich, like the Bush and Steve Forbes types seems to be arrogant idiots that don't understand how they got where they got due to being 3rd and 4th generation multi-millionairs. So now they are tearing down teh system that created wealth in order to try and keep more of what they already have.
They are fascists.
Look at all of history. Look at the great civilizations. Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Aztecs, China, Imperial Japan, the British Empire, the Spanish Empire, Ottoman Empire, the USA up to the turn of the century, etc.
None fo these civlizatiosn had equality. They were all built on exploitation. Civilization is built on exploitation. Greece was arguabel the most equal and fair, but even the Greeks had slaves.
Do you think they built the pyramids with unions and fair wages? Hell no. The British Empire enslaved millions of people, the Spanish Empire enslaved even more and robbed trillions of dollars worth of gold and tresures. That is how EVERY civilization became "great", through exploitation of the many to built the greatness of the few.
America is the same. We killed somewhere between 10 million and 100 million natives in North America (no one know for sure how many), stole their land, and had an economy built on slavery up until the 1870s. That's how America achieved economic greatness.
Equality and fairness does not produce a powerful civilization, and that is just a fact.
The fascists acknowledge this and to them the goal of humanity is to build a great civilization. You always hear these people talk about civilization. To them civilization is more importnat than fairness or equality. They know that it requires unfairness to produce wealth and power and great acomplishments and they hold those things more important than humanity.
It is a choice between civilization and humanity, because civilization is the product of inhumanity. That is what WWII was all about.
The Communists wanted to "destroy civilization" and create equality and humanity, the fascists prized civilization above all else and felt that exploitation is justifiable because it benefits civilizatoin and the wealthy elite who they feel are superior and deserve to rule over teh common man.
The Americans in power under FDR and the ones that retained strong influence after the war saught a middle ground. By the end of the 1960s though those people began fading from power and the wealthy American fascists have begun their rise to power.
They are hear to repeat the issues that led up to WWII once again, prizing progress and civilization over humanity. Trying to reconstruct a Roman or Egyptian Empire of power and prestige, that rides on the back of economic inequality.
Do not beleive that they people will do anything that is going to bring us all closer together, no they are here to separate the working classes from the wealthy elite and make them slaves to the wealthy. The brainwashing has already been taking place for 20 years. Look at how people jump to the defense of the wealthy so quickly, they are brainwshed with lies and deception and a lack of economic understanding. The rich are getting richer, they are going to continue gettign richer, the difference between the avearge person and the super wealthy is growing daily and will continue to grow until the average person is powerless economically and politcally.
Arguable. Not really. We have a company that employs about 30 people. Our company can then put hundreds of people out of a job.
What essentially happens in that part of the money saved by doctors by being able to fire people goes to us and part goes to him.
Now, what Victor is saying is all right. This is the situation though. I think that more wealthy view things the way Victor says, BUT there is a group of "conservatives" the Bushites or whatever, that maybe are just stupid or arrogant or ignorant, or they believe their own propaganda I don't what, but they are screwing this whole things up for everyone.
Who does a progressive tax benefit? Everyone, especially the wealthy. Who does welfare benefit? Everyone, mostly the wealthy. Who does Social Security benefit? Everyone, mostly the wealthy.
You see, all of these things take pressure off of the private system allowing the private system to be less responsible, which in turn allows the wealthy to be more wealthy.
Once you go to a flat tax and take away social programs, then what? then you have masses of unemployed people with no way to take care of themselves rioting and getting angery and stealing, and no one can maintian in that situation. To prevent that then the wealthy would have to start paying more and hiring more people just to give them something to do to keep them busy. The the price of labor would have to go up to keep discrepency down.
Now the Bush crew does not appear to be trying to to these things to favor the middle class or poor, they are trying to favor teh rich, but in doing so they are tearning down the system that sustains the rich for short term gain. So to me this all looks like pure stupidity.
The people that built America up after WWII, those people were not idiots, they were very smart and they built the strongest nation in the world out of that situation. Those people had "liberal" economic policy and it created a stable and solid economy tha benefited evreyone, and thus ultimately the rich.
Some rich, like the Bush and Steve Forbes types seems to be arrogant idiots that don't understand how they got where they got due to being 3rd and 4th generation multi-millionairs. So now they are tearing down teh system that created wealth in order to try and keep more of what they already have.
They are fascists.
Look at all of history. Look at the great civilizations. Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Aztecs, China, Imperial Japan, the British Empire, the Spanish Empire, Ottoman Empire, the USA up to the turn of the century, etc.
None fo these civlizatiosn had equality. They were all built on exploitation. Civilization is built on exploitation. Greece was arguabel the most equal and fair, but even the Greeks had slaves.
Do you think they built the pyramids with unions and fair wages? Hell no. The British Empire enslaved millions of people, the Spanish Empire enslaved even more and robbed trillions of dollars worth of gold and tresures. That is how EVERY civilization became "great", through exploitation of the many to built the greatness of the few.
America is the same. We killed somewhere between 10 million and 100 million natives in North America (no one know for sure how many), stole their land, and had an economy built on slavery up until the 1870s. That's how America achieved economic greatness.
Equality and fairness does not produce a powerful civilization, and that is just a fact.
The fascists acknowledge this and to them the goal of humanity is to build a great civilization. You always hear these people talk about civilization. To them civilization is more importnat than fairness or equality. They know that it requires unfairness to produce wealth and power and great acomplishments and they hold those things more important than humanity.
It is a choice between civilization and humanity, because civilization is the product of inhumanity. That is what WWII was all about.
The Communists wanted to "destroy civilization" and create equality and humanity, the fascists prized civilization above all else and felt that exploitation is justifiable because it benefits civilizatoin and the wealthy elite who they feel are superior and deserve to rule over teh common man.
The Americans in power under FDR and the ones that retained strong influence after the war saught a middle ground. By the end of the 1960s though those people began fading from power and the wealthy American fascists have begun their rise to power.
They are hear to repeat the issues that led up to WWII once again, prizing progress and civilization over humanity. Trying to reconstruct a Roman or Egyptian Empire of power and prestige, that rides on the back of economic inequality.
Do not beleive that they people will do anything that is going to bring us all closer together, no they are here to separate the working classes from the wealthy elite and make them slaves to the wealthy. The brainwashing has already been taking place for 20 years. Look at how people jump to the defense of the wealthy so quickly, they are brainwshed with lies and deception and a lack of economic understanding. The rich are getting richer, they are going to continue gettign richer, the difference between the avearge person and the super wealthy is growing daily and will continue to grow until the average person is powerless economically and politcally.
