Tate Brothers Charged with Rape in the UK

[SpuriusMaximus]

Just came out on YT a quarter of an hour ago:

They're not in solitary. Andrew and Tristan are cell-mates. I was already sure of that, since they only wanted a radio between the two of them, not one radio each, but now it's official.

Among several other lies from them and their lawyer.

 

[jimbob]

Just came out on YT a quarter of an hour ago:

They're not in solitary. Andrew and Tristan are cell-mates. I was already sure of that, since they only wanted a radio between the two of them, not one radio each, but now it's official.

Among several other lies from them and their lawyer.

I do wonder if McBride was careful enough to not make proveable lies under oath.

I suspect he wasn't.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

I do wonder if McBride was careful enough to not make proveable lies under oath.

I suspect he wasn't.

I don't think the defense lawyer has to testify under oath. He can be sanctioned for submitting lies to the court, but it's not perjury.

ETA: plus, in a case it would get dismissed as hearsay even if he wanted to. There are only two kinds of testimonies allowed in court:
1. Direct. It means you actually were there and saw it.
2. Expert. You don't have any first hand information about what happened there, but are an expert and can interpret the data. E.g., what the braking distance means for the car's initial speed.
McBride can't give either. He didn't see them in their cells. "X told me Y" is automatically dismissed as hearsay. In many cases the opposing counsel would stand up and say "objection, hearsay!" by reflex before that witness even got into much of what Y is. To any experienced attorney, just hearing "told me" or "said" or such, is like Pavlov's bell: they act before even thinking.

 

[Helen]

Just came out on YT a quarter of an hour ago:

They're not in solitary. Andrew and Tristan are cell-mates. I was already sure of that, since they only wanted a radio between the two of them, not one radio each, but now it's official.

Among several other lies from them and their lawyer.

That's too harsh; making them share a cell with a Tate is truly inhumane.

 

[jimbob]

There are now persistent rumours (but caveat: I haven't seen evidence, though I guess no mafia ever held a press conference about such things) that now the Romanian mafia wants them dead too, so they can't testify against them in Romania, after bragging so much online about their mafia connections there and running a casino for the mafia there and having shares in a mafia-run competition and so on.

I've heard similar and it makes sense. They stopped being useful and started being liabilities.

And they're the sort of person who will rat.

I'm still saying they should beg to be sent to the UK, where in almost all prisons they would be kept in a separate sex offender wing, and not be murdered like in the US. And I doubt that the Romanian mafia could order a hit on them in the UK by another sex offender either.

Yup

 

[Andy_Ross]

Time for some good news

Andrew Tate
@Cobratate

My situation is deteriorating.

Despite spending 61 days in the SHU, the punitive unit for inmates who attack other prisoners and guards, I have once again had my conditions downgraded.

Since the time I have come into this jail I have been forced to endure punitive housing.

During my time here, I have watched men come and go, men who have stabbed other inmates.

These men are only forced to stay in these cells for 7 days until rereleased to general population.

I have been here for 61 days and counting.

Today, I was informed that I was finally changing cells.

However, I was moved to another cell inside the same SHU unit in far worse condition than my past one.

 

[dirtywick]

I don't think the defense lawyer has to testify under oath. He can be sanctioned for submitting lies to the court, but it's not perjury.

ETA: plus, in a case it would get dismissed as hearsay even if he wanted to. There are only two kinds of testimonies allowed in court:
1. Direct. It means you actually were there and saw it.
2. Expert. You don't have any first hand information about what happened there, but are an expert and can interpret the data. E.g., what the braking distance means for the car's initial speed.
McBride can't give either. He didn't see them in their cells. "X told me Y" is automatically dismissed as hearsay. In many cases the opposing counsel would stand up and say "objection, hearsay!" by reflex before that witness even got into much of what Y is. To any experienced attorney, just hearing "told me" or "said" or such, is like Pavlov's bell: they act before even thinking.

When Is a False Statement Perjury?

www.mololamken.com

here’s an explanation on perjury, and it applies to more than just testimony and can include written statements as well.

 

[Darat]

Time for some good news

Andrew Tate
@Cobratate

My situation is deteriorating.

Despite spending 61 days in the SHU, the punitive unit for inmates who attack other prisoners and guards, I have once again had my conditions downgraded.

Since the time I have come into this jail I have been forced to endure punitive housing.

During my time here, I have watched men come and go, men who have stabbed other inmates.

These men are only forced to stay in these cells for 7 days until rereleased to general population.

I have been here for 61 days and counting.

Today, I was informed that I was finally changing cells.

However, I was moved to another cell inside the same SHU unit in far worse condition than my past one.

Like I said before he needs to get onto his lawyer to get the extradition to the UK speeded up so he can be housed in better conditions.

 

[jimbob]

Like I said before he needs to get onto his lawyer to get the extradition to the UK speeded up so he can be housed in better conditions.

And of course it's more likely than not that he's lying.

Face it, he managed to perjure himself with something that didn't really matter.

For example claiming in court that he didn't have anything to do with the "OfWudan" Twitter account, when he knew that he was on video saying that he controlled it

 

[theprestige]

A real man would embrace this setback as an opportunity to develop his inner monk, and elevate his game to the next level through applied asceticism and deepening practice of the stoic virtues.