Tarpley vs. Colmes - Fox is Getting Better

Conservative media tend to laugh this stuff off as crackpottery without engaging in any kind of debate because they understand that there is no real fear that their target audience is going to be seduced by 9-11 Denial. On the other hand, liberal (and especially leftist) media attack the conspiracy theorists substantively because they are legitimately concerned that this stuff will catch on among their followers. Both scorn and substantive debunking are effective although not always with the same audience.

I was encouraged by Colmes' improvement over an earlier appearance by Uncle Fetzer where Colmes professed himself to be an "agnostic" on the 9-11 conspiracy theories.

Dear Brainster,

Anyone who acts like the media people, I've got to say on principle they're probably wrong about everything, 9/11 included. The media doesn't talk about the collapsing US infrastructure, it doesn't talk about the North American Union drive, it doesn't talk about the Federal Reserve system and the depth of the present financial system crisis--it's useless, good for keeping the monkeys in their cages.

"Denial," that's a good one. Holocaust Denial, Climate Denial, 9/11 Denial. Soon there will be Health Food Denial and Iran Denial and Martial Law Denial. It's an even better term than "Hate" to suppress people, because "hate" implies ignorant strength, whereas "denial" implies obstinate stupidity.

Cpl Ferro
 
Stupid is stupid, idiotic theory is idiotic theory, regardless that the media doesn't talk about 'the collapsing US infrastructure' (which BTW is talked about nightly on every news station every night in my city, Cleveland OH, one of the kings of 'collapsing infrastructure' thank you very much)
 
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I am so tired of hearing the Men from caves statement - these men had Masters Degree's in engineering and were all well educated they were vetrans of the afgan soviet war - -the next time someone says these were simple cavemen i am gonna kill a goldfish.
 
The media doesn't talk about the collapsing US infrastructure, it doesn't talk about the North American Union drive, it doesn't talk about the Federal Reserve system and the depth of the present financial system crisis--it's useless, good for keeping the monkeys in their cages.

I'll think you'll find that credible media has been talking about little else aside from the collasping US economy. Sub Prime Mortgages being the phrase de jeur on the financial pages. Just because you skip to the funnies doesn't mean intelligent journalism doesn't exist in Main Stream Media.
 
I am so tired of hearing the Men from caves statement - these men had Masters Degree's in engineering and were all well educated they were vetrans of the afgan soviet war - -the next time someone says these were simple cavemen i am gonna kill a goldfish.

Every time you threaten to kill a goldfish, Jesus...well...Jesus kills a kitten or something, okay?
 
...it doesn't talk about the North American Union drive...
That's because there's no "union" to be talked about. There are some discussions about harmonizing certain trade regulations and making border crossings easier for businesses than at the present due to the increased security rules enacted as a result of 9/11.

The ease of crossing the border is a particularly important issue for Canada, since we had it good before 9/11 and stricter controls now will be bad for Canadian exporters. And also, it should be noted, for American exporters as well since Canada takes in considerably more dollars' worth of exports from the U.S. than any other country with which the U.S. trades. There is also the impact on tourism.

But some sort of political union between Canada, the U.S., and Mexico? It's not going to happen.
 
I'll think you'll find that credible media has been talking about little else aside from the collasping US economy. Sub Prime Mortgages being the phrase de jeur on the financial pages. Just because you skip to the funnies doesn't mean intelligent journalism doesn't exist in Main Stream Media.

Mortgages? What about derivatives? What about the Federal Reserve system? And, like I said, nothing about infrastructure. A media that far from doing its job simply isn't credible, and anything accurate it reports will be misleading by being misrepresented as being the most important thing.

Cpl Ferro
 
That's because there's no "union" to be talked about. There are some discussions about harmonizing certain trade regulations and making border crossings easier for businesses than at the present due to the increased security rules enacted as a result of 9/11.

The ease of crossing the border is a particularly important issue for Canada, since we had it good before 9/11 and stricter controls now will be bad for Canadian exporters. And also, it should be noted, for American exporters as well since Canada takes in considerably more dollars' worth of exports from the U.S. than any other country with which the U.S. trades. There is also the impact on tourism.

But some sort of political union between Canada, the U.S., and Mexico? It's not going to happen.

Dear Corsair,

Don't be naive. Look at their overall intention. It's in the elites' interest to collapse national boundaries in their drive for "globalisation" and "free trade". They don't care a damn about "democracy" or national soveriegnty or anything else except power. The only question is whether this will be the way they will find it easiest to achieve their goals, and whether it gets stopped by public-political action. There's no border between US and Mexico anyway, so what's a little less?

It's happening, and the SPP is the second major step, after NAFTA. As part of the security reconciliation, or whatever jargon they use, the Canadian military will be put under the de facto command of the US as everything is integrated and made "easier." The SPP's chief purpose is to secure Canada's water supply, which it will lose control of under NAFTA rules.

Ron Paul has a clue, at least:

Congressman: Superhighway about North American Union

How NAFTA superhighway is built under radar screen

The NAFTA super highway By Patrick J. Buchanan

Cpl Ferro
 
Look at their overall intention. It's in the elites' interest to collapse national boundaries in their drive for "globalisation" and "free trade".
Canada got a free trade agreement with the U.S. way back in 1989. I don't think it got much coverage in the states but it was a major issue here, and the 1988 federal election campaign was waged on the FTA. Some years later the U.S. wanted Mexico to join in, so the FTA was superceded by NAFTA. But at far as Canada was concerned, the deal wanted was achieved in the FTA. The subsequent NAFTA added little.

They don't care a damn about "democracy" or national soveriegnty or anything else except power.
Provinces in Canada have more automomy over their affairs than states do in the U.S. (at least, that's my understanding). That fact alone makes political union unlikely — no government is going to unilaterally give up its power to control its own affairs. Individually, many Canadians would like to see trade barriers reduced between the U.S. and Canada (see: border crossings) but have absolutely no interest in a political union. We like our national health care system, for example, and are not about to give it up. Anything even remotely sounding like privatization gets a strong public backlash (I'll note also that there have been studies which show that U.S. companies like our health care too because in spite of higher tax rates here the costs of health care are so much lower in comparison to the U.S. that it more than offsets any increase in taxes).

There's no border between US and Mexico anyway, so what's a little less?
There most certainly is a border. The U.S. already requires passports for those entering the U.S. from Canada by air — it previously only required two pieces of ID, one with a photo (meaning a drivers license and a birth certificate was sufficient). By June of 2008 land crossings would also require a passport — Canada would like to see that deadline pushed back yet again because of the concerns of the slowdown in cross-border traffic. An average of one billion (yes, billion with a 'b') dollars of trade crosses the U.S.-Canadian border every day.

The SPP's chief purpose is to secure Canada's water supply, which it will lose control of under NAFTA rules.
Good luck with that. That position is politically impossible in Canada and will likely remain so for quite some time. Any party advocating such a water policy would go down to defeat in an election. Besides, how can the SPP can access to water without re-opening NAFTA or writing a new trade agreement? Either way involves the political process with proposed legislation and debate in Parliament, and most likely an election campaign fought on the issue.

As it is the U.S. feels free to ignore the terms of NAFTA when it suits it (see: softwood lumber). Given that, it would seem quite unlikely Canada's about to sign any deals which will put anything else under the trade banner when the U.S. has demonstrated the capacity to ignore the trade agreements it has signed.
 
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