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TAPS Caught Cheating

daSkeptic said:
I think Occam's razor applies here. The paranormal requires far more assumption than the mundane. Thus, if it can be shown that a purported paranormal event could have been staged, one must assume it was unless there is evidence to the contrary. I believe this is the general attitude of JREF in its approach to the MDC.
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Oh hell. Forget Occam's razor. You can see the collar go down after the second slap on the back after the collar is examined by one of the other baloney artists. There is no reason for a lie detector or anything else. It's right there. No way does the collar go down in the same spot and not get mentioned if it's not a hoax.

We don't have to over think this. TAPS is busted...
 
It could be a hoax, it could be something with the jacket. All around not paranormal. But to say that TAPS is busted based on them not being able to figure out a stupid mundane happening is jumping the gun.

No, TAPS doesn't use mediums, and doesn't put any stock in what they say. They had a very heated feud with the Warrens about it.

You want ghost hunters to be really upset with? Sure TAPS is popular, but in the paranormal community the Warrens and their ilk are even more so, and complete and total frauds from word one. Of course Ed Warren is dead now, so no use being upset with him.
 
Actually this answers my question. Though I actually never really doubted there was fakery in these shows. After all if TAPS didn't do it, one of the many take off versions was surely going to try. It's a money maker and too tempting not to do it.

A am referring to one TAPS show where a chair moved and another where a picture frame moved. I suspected either the owner of the building rigged something to get more business or an individual on the TAPS team or perhaps the leaders had faked the movement.

There is a spin off of TAPS that filmed a brick flying through the air on its own. Again, either it was purposely faked or they had actual evidence and we all know which of those two possibilities is the likely one.

It does pose a question however. If anyone ever does catch real inexplicable evidence on tape, how could it possibly be verified as legit?
 
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tyr_13 said:
It could be a hoax, it could be something with the jacket. All around not paranormal. But to say that TAPS is busted based on them not being able to figure out a stupid mundane happening is jumping the gun.
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Need more?

Look here..

And by the way, the coat was "pulled" three times. Once when it wasn't meant to be. If it had been something mundane, that's when it would have been discovered. But that third pull wasn't even mentioned because it wasn't supposed to happen. And the guy wearing the coat didn't have the use of one arm (although he did have the use of his hand at the end of that arm) only in those scenes?

I'm not jumping the gun. Their busted.
 
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When it's that obviously fake, and people still claim they can't tell, it's time to give up on them, imo.

Even if you couldn't see the actual collar pull, the right hand/left hand deal gives the game away entirely.

He should be checking his collar with his supposedly empty and unoccupied right hand.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Even if you couldn't see the actual collar pull, the right hand/left hand deal gives the game away entirely.

He should be checking his collar with his supposedly empty and unoccupied right hand.
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I would be curious to know about his handedness. If he's right-handed, it really begs the question why his supposed dominant hand wasn't being used.
 
The video shows which hand he normally uses, his right.

For some strange reason, during the coat pull scenes, his right arm remains extended and fixed at his side, and he carries a flashlight in his left hand, and he even tries to examine his collar with his left hand, even though he is using it to carry the flashlight.

His fixed right arm looks odd, even if you don't know anything about the video. One begins to think there's something wrong with his right arm.
 
daSkeptic said:
I would be curious to know about his handedness. If he's right-handed, it really begs the question why his supposed dominant hand wasn't being used.
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The natural thing to do would be to reach up with both hands. Try it on someone and see how they react.
 
tyr_13 said:
It could be a hoax, it could be something with the jacket. All around not paranormal. But to say that TAPS is busted based on them not being able to figure out a stupid mundane happening is jumping the gun.

No, TAPS doesn't use mediums, and doesn't put any stock in what they say. They had a very heated feud with the Warrens about it.

You want ghost hunters to be really upset with? Sure TAPS is popular, but in the paranormal community the Warrens and their ilk are even more so, and complete and total frauds from word one. Of course Ed Warren is dead now, so no use being upset with him.
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Personally, the reason I'm more upset with TAPS than other "paranormal research groups" is that they claim to take a scientific approach when they don't. They also claim that debunking incidents is their goal when it most obviously is not. They purport themselves as being of a skeptical nature -- a fallacy I happen to take a bit personally since I happen to be a real skeptic. And then, to add insult to injury, they fabricate "evidence."

If they were "mediums" or "psychics" claiming to find ghosts, I'd be able to just sit back and laugh. But that they claim to be scientific and skeptical? I'm sorry, I have a hard time laughing that off -- which is why I no longer watch the show, or frequent the scifi forums for the show.
 
SkeptiChick said:
...they claim to take a scientific approach when they don't. They also claim that debunking incidents is their goal when it most obviously is not. They purport themselves as being of a skeptical nature...
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Did you hear them saying that themselves? I've only seen 2 or 3 episodes, but in one of them, I remember the bald guy telling a couple of others that what they had in that case wasn't convincing, and when he got the response from them that surely he must believe after all they've seen, he answered that he did but they were there not to find something that would convince the already convinced, but to find something that would convince those who weren't.
 
Delvo said:
Did you hear them saying that themselves? I've only seen 2 or 3 episodes, but in one of them, I remember the bald guy telling a couple of others that what they had in that case wasn't convincing, and when he got the response from them that surely he must believe after all they've seen, he answered that he did but they were there not to find something that would convince the already convinced, but to find something that would convince those who weren't.
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Yes. They have claimed those things themselves numerous times. And then the next minute, they go into a place and declare it haunted -- to their viewers, if not the actual location owner/inhabitants -- with "evidence" that could be debunked by my 9 year old.

If you've only seen 2 or 3 episodes, you might want to reserve your judgement, or defer to that of people who have watched several full seasons (like myself).
 
These videos that show how much TAPS members are willing to act and showboat seems to answer a lot of my questions about their equipment, methods, and findings. Nice to see someone is paying real close attention to what they present to us as a “real” show. I used to have respect for Grant and Jason (if that is their real names), because I thought they were sincere in their investigations. I believed they were wrong, but truly sincere. Thank you so much for pointing out they are obviously more worried about making money off of their show then trying to find out the truth. The only thing I hate more then con artist liars is con artist liars in sheep clothing. So seriously, thank you!

-Kyle
 
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skeptigirl said:
Hi Kil. How are things at the SFN?
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Heh. Nice that you caught this. I got mixed up. Good that you saw this thread.

SFN is doing great. (As one of the founders, I'm bound to say that, eh?) But as a member of the JREF I feel the need to look over here from time to time. We skeptics are, hopefully, one larger community after all...

This thread happen to catch my eye.

Write to me or drop by SFN if you would like to catch up on things! It's always good to see you...
 
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