Taking on the Fluoride scare...

My friend just said this:

"first off...
i am skeptical of www.skeptoid.com's article/intentions
spidey sense was tinglin' to say the least...anyways

...google fluoride in the Pineal Gland...
youtube a movie called Vaccine Nation...(among many others)

i've come to find, via casual investigation, and i do believe this; that fluoride causes the pineal gland to calcify. if you know about the functions of the pineal gland....you know that a healthy pineal gland is crucial for us as evolving & awakening multi-dimensional beings...but the government puts it in all our water...i'll stop there

vaccines in children have been linked with complications such as autism (and death) for the simple fact that an infant cannot process that much heavy metals so early in life when the body is so small/vulnerable, mercury and other substances stunt their development...and they usually receive numerous injections in a short period of time, overloading the system....i read a few articles and watched a handful of documentaries on this subject months ago, i can't recall it all off the top of my head but....check it out...it's all there"

I'm replying to him the best I can. If anyone has something to say about it, let me know.
 
Here's how I responded:

Andrew, why are you skeptical of skeptoid and the article? Is it because you're skeptical of anything (in regards to fluoridation) that agrees with the government?

Why is it when I google fluoride and the pineal gland the sites that come up are fluoridealert.org, newmediaexplorer.org, naturalnews.com, prisonplanet, ronpaulforums, davidicke.com, conspiracyplanet, etc? Where are the legitimate news / science sites? Are you saying the above sources are credible?

I found one study with 11 participants showing that the pineal gland has a higher F/Ca ratio than bone. Now, let's say that fluoride indeed calcifies the pineal gland. What does this mean? One study suggests that sense of direction may be affected by calcification of the pineal gland. Of course, that's all David Icke or Alex Jones need to say the pineal gland is being shut down via fluoridation thanks to the government.

I don't know enough about neurobiology to completely understand how it works, and neither do you. We rely on the sources we trust in. I trust peer reviewed journals, and they do not report any severe problems with fluoride at the level that's in the water.

As for autism and vaccines, there is no connection. This is an area where I have some credentials considering I've presented on the topic and have reviewed the research. The only scientists / researchers claiming that there is a connection are liars such as Wakefield or the subsequent researchers who built off of his shody, dubious research.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/10/the_anti-vaccine_war_on_science_an_epide.php

And do a search of his blog for other articles about vaccines, fluoridation, and more.

Some more thoughts on the pineal gland and fluoridation:

I mentioned the one article that looked at 11 cadavers and their F/Ca ratios. It needs not be said that 11 participants and one study is not enough evidence to make any definitive judgment. However, there is more that needs to considered:

1. Sex
2. How did these people consume fluoride? Was it simply from the water, or did they receive it in some other way?
3. The degree of calcification in the 11 participants had a range of 4,600 to 37,250 mg Ca/kg wet weight. I don't know what the "healthy" level of Ca/kg is, but that seems like a large range.
4. There has been no investigation into whether the calcification affects humans. The sense of the direction and a drop in melatonin was noted in animals and not humans.
5. There was no mention of how the people died. Perhaps these people were extraordinary cases?

Clearly, more research is needed to determine fluoride's connection with calcification in the pineal gland. Sadly, conspiracy theory, anti-government websites are quick to make sensationalist claims, taking one small study and making definitive claims that lay people who already hate the government are quick to believe.
 
Lastly, I added this:

"A corollary notion was that calcification of the pineal caused psychiatric disease, a concept that provided support for those who considered psychotic behavior to be rampant; modern examination techniques have revealed that all pineal glands become more or less calcified."

source: http://www.becomehealthynow.com/article/bodyendocrine/737

While this does not mean that fluoride is safe, it does suggest that the pineal gland may become calcified independently from exposure to it. Therefore, fluoride may not be the cause of higher of F/Ca ratios. It may just be a correlation, just as there may be an association between breathing oxygen and pineal gland calcification.
 
The American Dental Association has a great source about fluoridation called Fluoridation Fact, in which they also respond to many health hazard claims:
http://www.ada.org/sections/professionalResources/pdfs/fluoridation_facts.pdf

According to it calcification of the pineal gland is a normal aging process and also that fluoride in the body is associated with hard or calcified tissues. So it likely that calcification of the pineal gland leads to increased level of fluoride.
They also say that the study in question concluded that fluoride levels in the pineal gland were not indicators of long term fluoride exposure.
 
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