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Measles deaths in Africa fell by 91% between 2000 and 2006, figures from the World Health Organization show.

The drop, from an estimated 396,000 to 36,000, means the United Nations target to cut measles deaths by 90% by 2010 has been hit four years early.

But the WHO warned deaths were still far too high in South Asia, particularly in India and Pakistan.

The success follows concerted efforts to vaccinate all children against measles before their first birthday.

Overall global measles deaths fell by 68% - from an estimated 757,000 to 242,000 - over the six year period, a WHO report showed.
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Ann Veneman, executive director of UNICEF welcomed the progress that had been made.

But she added: "Measles is still killing nearly 600 children under five every day, an unacceptable reality when we have a safe, effective, and inexpensive vaccine to prevent the disease."
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Those who oppose vaccinations can kiss my butt. It's vaccinated, so it's safe.
 
Interestingly, India and Pakistan are also where homeopathy flourishes strongly. I wonder if there is a correspondence of measles (and similar) disease prevalence to homeopathy practice. Worth a closer look, someone? Already been done?
 
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The deaths in India and Pakistan were probably merely homeopathy aggravations.
Keep the faith anti-vaxers! (or whatever it is Robinson would like you to be known as)
 
CF, good post. It's hard to refute that evidence. However, there will STILL be those who will ignore that and not get their children immunized, and the poor kids are the ones who pay for that. More’s the shame.

I know people who, despite the evidence I’ve supplied to them, still haven’t immunized their children. It’s like talking to a brick wall. And these are normal, well-educated people, too.
 
I got vaccinated against two strains of the measels. I got the disease and then recovered. Same with chickenpocks. All I did was stay in bed and drink fluids. I had all three diseases before I was 13.
 
"The success follows concerted efforts to vaccinate all children against measles before their first birthday"

This is not the best strategy. The best time to vaccinate for measles is at 15 months plus. Before that, the vaccine doesn't work as well.
 
CFLarsen said:
Those who oppose vaccinations can kiss my butt. It's vaccinated, so it's safe.
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The anti-vankers will claim that the decrease in measles is due to the increase in cleanliness, education, and standard of living in India over the past few years. And the use of better homeopathic remedies.

(Has there been such an increase in stuff in India lately? I have no idea, but the antivankers will claim such anyway...)
 
Madalch said:
The anti-vankers will claim that the decrease in measles is due to the increase in cleanliness, education, and standard of living in India over the past few years. ,...)
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Though that premise falls apart when you mention what happened to Japan when they stopped using their version of the MMR, and made them voluntary in the mid-1990s:
http://www.who.int/vaccines/globals...series/TSincidenceByCountry.cfm?country=Japan

Cases of measles went from a low of 899 in 1998, to over 30000 in 2002.

They have resumed vaccinating with a MR (skipping the mumps part because their Urabe strain tends to cause meningitis):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17368662

Of course, stopping their version MMR did not affect the increase in autism rates:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16865547
and
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15877763
 
Well, Jenny McCarthy just told me that every single one of those Africans who didn't get the measles is now autistic.
 
Just to ring in, I used to think that there was no legitimate reason for lack of vaccination . . . and I still do. However, that resolve was severely put to the test when my son, my first born, received his second set of vaccinations at two months. Poor little guy took it like a trooper, but my own personal guilt was still there. I assuaged myself knowing that he just side-stepped all kinds of serious ailments which could have caused him much more severe pain (along with other nasty things).

But knowing first hand what a parent might go through, I'm a little more sympathetic. Not much, mind, but a little.
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:
Though that premise falls apart when you mention what happened to Japan when they stopped using their version of the MMR, and made them voluntary in the mid-1990s:
http://www.who.int/vaccines/globals...series/TSincidenceByCountry.cfm?country=Japan

Cases of measles went from a low of 899 in 1998, to over 30000 in 2002.

They have resumed vaccinating with a MR (skipping the mumps part because their Urabe strain tends to cause meningitis):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17368662

Of course, stopping their version MMR did not affect the increase in autism rates:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=16865547
and
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15877763
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Thank you for those cites. I know a naturopathic "doctor" who has a column in the local paper who is going to get an earful of them.
 
yeah, just wait until Africa not only has the cost of educating all of those kids they could have been rid of, but has to spend MORE on the 'cause they're AUTISTIC!!!

Seriously, though, I love it how the Autism/Vaccination connection crowd have moved the argument out of the realm of scientists and into the courts, where the standard of proof is lower.

I also love how Jenny McCarthy knows all about the connection - but then if you look at her book, you'll note that she draws all of her conclusions from anecdotal evidence. Strong science, there, baby.
 
CFLarsen said:
Those who oppose vaccinations can kiss my butt. It's vaccinated, so it's safe.
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You Shill For Big Pharma,You!:D

What is scary about the AntiVacs is that a number of them are people who are smart enough to really,really,know better.
 
Madalch said:
Thank you for those cites. I know a naturopathic "doctor" who has a column in the local paper who is going to get an earful of them.
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You are welcome. You can remind him that several college campuses in Japan were closed last spring to stem a measles epidemic.

Though it did come to an advantage to one of the band moms. During the bus ride last spring for the marching band to participate in New Westminster's Hyack parade, she was relating about her visit to her older child who is going to college in Japan. They got much more time to see the sights since classes were canceled.

I don't know if it would happen where you are, but it might happen in Victoria and Vancouver... every few months someone comes into the airport who has measles. The public health department then puts out notices as to where the person was just in case someone who is unvaccinated was in the vicinity:
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/providers/epidemiology/health-alert-061209.htm
and
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/measles2007/
and
http://www.metrokc.gov/health/news/04040701.htm
 
RobRoy said:
Just to ring in, I used to think that there was no legitimate reason for lack of vaccination . . . and I still do. However, that resolve was severely put to the test when my son, my first born, received his second set of vaccinations at two months. Poor little guy took it like a trooper, but my own personal guilt was still there. I assuaged myself knowing that he just side-stepped all kinds of serious ailments which could have caused him much more severe pain (along with other nasty things).

But knowing first hand what a parent might go through, I'm a little more sympathetic. Not much, mind, but a little.
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Of course! Those of us with children who were vaccinated have been there too. But I look at it this way: My daughter was MORE traumatised by falling and bumping her head badly than by any vaccination. But she rapidly recovered, grew up strong and well, and she is now in fine health, nearly 21, and making her own life. That's what your youngster now has to look forward to - a happy, healthy childhood...horsing around with dad!
 
Bah everyone knows that vaccinations didn't cause Autism, they caused the epidemic of Invisible Bigfoots and Corn Dog Avatars.
 
Sinope said:
"The success follows concerted efforts to vaccinate all children against measles before their first birthday"

This is not the best strategy. The best time to vaccinate for measles is at 15 months plus. Before that, the vaccine doesn't work as well.
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Do you have any references for this? In the UK we get the MMR at about 13months. I found one rticle (didn't search very throughly) that found that 9 months and 15 months are equally effective.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3867/is_200311/ai_n9325084

I think there might also be an issue that in countries where measles is endemic, it might better to have earlier slightly poorer protection rather than later protection with higher efficacy. Getting the better protection is not much use to you if you have already caught measles at 12 months old.
 
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