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Szamboti's Missing Jolt paper

I'm not anonymous, and I asked you several questions, which you've avoided answering multiple times. Seems to me there is something more for them to hear.

I think you and I are at an impass.

You need all of the columns to miss even for the first several stories of the collapse for your proposed collapse scenario to even have the slightest bit of plausibility.

I maintain that that is impossible and intend to show why with the paper I told you I was writing.

We are done as far as major debate for the moment Ryan. After the paper is published you are more than welcome to critique it and I will discuss it with you.
 
I think you and I are at an impass.

You need all of the columns to miss even for the first several stories of the collapse for your proposed collapse scenario to even have the slightest bit of plausibility.

I maintain that that is impossible and intend to show why with the paper I told you I was writing.

We are done as far as major debate for the moment Ryan. After the paper is published you are more than welcome to critique it and I will discuss it with you.
Where will you have the paper published?
 
... I seriously doubt that many of the anonymous clowns here would do that.

Anonymous clowns that know your real-cd-deal is pure poppycock. Silent super-nano-thermite made up by a fired Jones. 19 terrorists did 911 all by themselves with the massive budget to buy things to cut throats and you are looking for missing jolt on low resolution video where you can't see a jolt if there is one. Cool, anonymous clowns believe in reality and you pursue delusions. The real audience who can think for themselves will see your delusion with very little need for an engineering degree.





Another paper not published except in the delusions-r-us journal of thermite Jones. Why did Jones and Fetzer split? Was it over the missing jolt paper?
 
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No, Tony, we are at an impasse, but it's one of your making.

I'm asking these questions for a simple reason. You seem to think you have this singular insight into the WTC collapses. We all think it's total garbage, but you've decided not to listen to us. That's fine. I can't make you believe anything, even things that should be obvious.

So, what next?

I think the best thing for you to do is to step outside your little circle of conspiracy nuts. Obviously you're not willing to listen to us, so who are you going to listen to? You need someone, hopefully many people, with technical background, recognized expertise, and an understanding of structural mechanics. It doesn't have to be us, it doesn't have to be anyone I know or have ever spoken to.

The smart place, as I've mentioned numerous times, is to talk to actual academics. The smart move is to organize and prepare your thoughts and submit it for critical review. Now, you've already written a series of whitepapers, so you've already done the hard part. Next you need to get these in front of professors.

One way is through peer review. You stated in this thread that you're not willing to do that, citing some vague and unsupported belief that it'll be instantly rejected for political reasons. That's a wimpy excuse and you know it. However, you can also take a less high-energy approach -- conferences, for one, or just talk to college departments. Send it to professors. See what they have to say.

If you have any real interest in understanding whether or not you're right and the world is wrong, you need to do this. And while you're at it, report on your progress. Tell us who you sent it to and what their responses were. Tell us what you've learned. All it takes at this point is a few e-mails and phone calls!

Of course, if you actually have no interest other than preserving your indignant little fantasy, then you won't do this. Since you've been at this for years, I will be astonished if you behave otherwise.

And, needless to say, discussing it with those already professing a known bias isn't good enough. Science works for everyone, crackpottery only works for your friends.

In summary, whether or not we're done is up to you. If you choose to leave it there, then you will have accomplished absolutely nothing. Your choice.
 
No, Tony, we are at an impasse, but it's one of your making.

I'm asking these questions for a simple reason. You seem to think you have this singular insight into the WTC collapses. We all think it's total garbage, but you've decided not to listen to us. That's fine. I can't make you believe anything, even things that should be obvious.

So, what next?

I think the best thing for you to do is to step outside your little circle of conspiracy nuts. Obviously you're not willing to listen to us, so who are you going to listen to? You need someone, hopefully many people, with technical background, recognized expertise, and an understanding of structural mechanics. It doesn't have to be us, it doesn't have to be anyone I know or have ever spoken to.

The smart place, as I've mentioned numerous times, is to talk to actual academics. The smart move is to organize and prepare your thoughts and submit it for critical review. Now, you've already written a series of whitepapers, so you've already done the hard part. Next you need to get these in front of professors.

One way is through peer review. You stated in this thread that you're not willing to do that, citing some vague and unsupported belief that it'll be instantly rejected for political reasons. That's a wimpy excuse and you know it. However, you can also take a less high-energy approach -- conferences, for one, or just talk to college departments. Send it to professors. See what they have to say.

If you have any real interest in understanding whether or not you're right and the world is wrong, you need to do this. And while you're at it, report on your progress. Tell us who you sent it to and what their responses were. Tell us what you've learned. All it takes at this point is a few e-mails and phone calls!

Of course, if you actually have no interest other than preserving your indignant little fantasy, then you won't do this. Since you've been at this for years, I will be astonished if you behave otherwise.

And, needless to say, discussing it with those already professing a known bias isn't good enough. Science works for everyone, crackpottery only works for your friends.

In summary, whether or not we're done is up to you. If you choose to leave it there, then you will have accomplished absolutely nothing. Your choice.


Nominated.

Compus
 
You need all of the columns to miss even for the first several stories of the collapse for your proposed collapse scenario to even have the slightest bit of plausibility.

Speaking of questions that you ducked out on, that's not true. That's why I drew this picture for you and asked, if this were a static situation, how much of the weight of the upper block would be resting on the perimeter columns on the right. Feel free to assume that the columns did not miss:

wtc1tilt.jpg


Your answer was that load would only be increased by 7%, due to the displaced center of mass. I'm still waiting for you to explain what is now carrying the load dumped by all those failed columns across the building.

Even if you assume that the columns did not miss each other or that the floor connections were strong enough to transfer the force to the columns, any tilt means that the columns below could not act all together to resist the falling mass, which is what your "jolt" calculation assumes and requires.
 
I'm anonymous?
Annoying, perhaps, because I ask you to define your terms, but anonymous?
Truthers and cockroaches--they scatter when the light hits.
 
Speaking of questions that you ducked out on, that's not true. That's why I drew this picture for you and asked, if this were a static situation, how much of the weight of the upper block would be resting on the perimeter columns on the right. Feel free to assume that the columns did not miss:


Your answer was that load would only be increased by 7%, due to the displaced center of mass. I'm still waiting for you to explain what is now carrying the load dumped by all those failed columns across the building.

Even if you assume that the columns did not miss each other or that the floor connections were strong enough to transfer the force to the columns, any tilt means that the columns below could not act all together to resist the falling mass, which is what your "jolt" calculation assumes and requires.

If he don't believe you, let Danny Jowenko explain it. (from the other thread)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3wwdI0XawI#t=2m38s
:D
 
I'm anonymous?
Annoying, perhaps, because I ask you to define your terms, but anonymous?
Truthers and cockroaches--they scatter when the light hits.
We're anonymous because we don't support his delusions. If we agreed with him, Tony would list us among his most prominent supporters.

William D Clinger
 
The anonymous TFK's two posts above are utter rubbish and anonymous people here applaud him.

Please help me to understand, Tony. Exactly which of my statements are "utter rubbish". And please explain why.

"Because they just are" is NOT an explanation.

Do you REALLY believe that the upper stories of the WTC have been undergoing a 32 ft/sec/sec acceleration since the day that they were built?

You appear to have a different definition of the term "acceleration" than the one I was taught.

Please pick two different dates of your choosing between 1975 & 2000 & tell me the different vertical velocities that they had on those dates. You do realize that everything that undergoes constant linear acceleration MUST change its velocity, don't you?

20 years at 32 ft/sec/sec, and the object would be traveling at a velocity of ~99% the speed of light, Tony.

Are you attacking my anonymity because you can not intelligently dispute the trivial engineering?

Besides Tony, I'm not anonymous. I've told you hundreds of times. I'm ...

Tom
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Holy **** tony!! How many years did you post here as "Realcddeal"??? talk about being a hypocrite!!!!

This is truther morality, AW.

Like when another truther who posts here, posts his screeds threatening to have us all executed after the revolution and not one truther who posts here objects.

You see, contrary to what they proclaim at the top of their lungs, truthers believe it's ok to mass kill your critics if it's them that's doing it.
 
Speaking of questions that you ducked out on, that's not true. That's why I drew this picture for you and asked, if this were a static situation, how much of the weight of the upper block would be resting on the perimeter columns on the right. Feel free to assume that the columns did not miss:

[qimg]http://opendb.com/images/wtc1tilt.jpg[/qimg]

Your answer was that load would only be increased by 7%, due to the displaced center of mass. I'm still waiting for you to explain what is now carrying the load dumped by all those failed columns across the building.

Even if you assume that the columns did not miss each other or that the floor connections were strong enough to transfer the force to the columns, any tilt means that the columns below could not act all together to resist the falling mass, which is what your "jolt" calculation assumes and requires.

Once the rotation was under way, what stopped the upper block from tilting right over and toppling over the side?
 
Once the rotation was under way, what stopped the upper block from tilting right over and toppling over the side?
The bottom part was still heavier on the side opposite the tilt, so the center of gravity remained within the line of perimeter columns. There also appear toi have been some unbroken elements of that side as well, holding it down .
 
Was there heavy fire on every floor of wtc7?

I remember at least one firefighter said that.

But dozens and dozens talk about massive fires, and not one dissenting opinion can be found anywhere from any of them either on or after 911 on this.

The point is that Truthers ignore the firefighters when it suits them.
 

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